Oh my fucking god, this might be the most badass comeback to those shitty “it’s gay” arguments I’ve heard in a long time 😂

  • Blibly@lemmy.worldEnglish
    106·
    24 天前

    Some may disagree but even the idea that trans women were ever men in the first place is kinda backwards. Trans people have the brains of the gender they are and we are our brains, not our genitals. Trans people are just adjusting their body to the identity they always were in the first place.

    Also, even if you’re ill informed enough to think its gay…so what? Why is being gay bad? Enough with the fucking bigotry already get over yourselves.

    • Malica@lemmy.zipEnglish
      30·
      24 天前

      It’s like misogyny, why is being compared to a woman an insult? Fuck bigotry, especially the borderline genocide happening to trans people right now.

    • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgEnglish
      19·
      24 天前

      I wish I understood this earlier than like 4 years sgo. They don’t teach it at school in the country where I and Miisha live, even the “woke” one I went to (or I don’t remember, I was super ignorant back then)…

      • tomatosametomato@piefed.zipEnglish
        1·
        22 天前

        I mean it’s missing. “We are our brains + long range signalling molecule emitting organs” is better but it doesn’t roll off your tongue does it?

        I am hangry when I’m hungry which means my stomach is a part of my personality (my responses to stimuli), not just my brain. Disregarding endocrine system is not scientifically honest.

        Cancer (unwanted tissue) can change your personality (cancer is at the wrong place and actually changing brain signals or simply due to constant pain) and we remove them. Likewise, removing unwanted gonads can improve someone’s well-being (it was causing constant misery = personality change).

      • 𝙈𝙞𝙖@quokk.auEnglish
        17·
        23 天前

        Brains in general are mosaics as is all biology. It’s a bioessentialist take to view our bodies and brains as split in a binary manner.

      • lightnsfw@reddthat.comEnglish
        7·
        23 天前

        For the purposes of this discussion it doesn’t really matter what’s going on with the physical structure of their brain. If their brain thinks and feels they are women then they have a woman’s brain.

          • lightnsfw@reddthat.comEnglish
            5·
            23 天前

            You’ve brought this up in response to someone saying trans people have the brain of their gender. I fail to see what relevance this has other than to give transphobes something to point at and be like “uh biologically speaking hur dur” when trans people express themselves. It’s not important. Scientifically maybe it’s interesting, but not in this context.

    • Lemming6969@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      24 天前

      To be accurate, you are what you are, both mentally and physically. Both count, and both are valid reasons to be attracted to or not attracted to someone. What labels those are given can be nuanced or not, depending on the audience and intention. That’s the reality of it all.

    • deathmetaldawgy@lemmy.mlEnglish
      7·
      23 天前

      Kinda completely unrelated but one of the reasons the professional skater Andy Anderson is goated is his famous “your brain is YOU” line in regards to wearing helmets. Like, your dick could be obliterated today (apologies for graphic nature) and if you survived it wouldn’t make you a woman, unless you wanted to be, in your heart which is a metaphoric way of saying your brain and now I’m confusing myself

  • Jankatarch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    64·
    24 天前

    Hi, local pedantic lemming here, one correction. She was not “born male,” but merely “assigned” as one. Carry on.

    • Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zonedeleted by creatorOPEnglish
      22·
      23 天前

      You are correct. Please ignore my absolutely unpedantic ass and carry on. Thanks ♥️

  • Xyre@lemmus.orgEnglish
    48·
    24 天前

    “Nooo, it’s because they’re actually a 1000 year old reincarnated male dragon!”

  • lightnsfw@reddthat.comEnglish
    41·
    24 天前

    I don’t think the people calling him gay see the woman he’s dating as “used to be male”.

  • greenskye@lemmy.zipEnglish
    11·
    24 天前

    I mean I have seen people unironically claim the second scenario. And people seem to forever be attempting to claim 20+ year old women as ‘children’ whenever they are dating older men as well. Which, sure call the dude out for being gross, but don’t try to rob an adult of their own agency. That always came off as weirdly sexist against women to me. Like a grown woman couldn’t and shouldn’t be trusted to make her own decisions. Which just felt like yet another way to control women, not actually protect them.

    • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6·
      23 天前

      A 20 year old isn’t a child, but that doesn’t mean someone over double her age isn’t taking advantage of her youth and lack of experience.

      What a weird place for you to take this conversation.

    • cosmos8188@leminal.spaceEnglish
      3·
      23 天前

      Agreed, I never understood this mentality. Not only is this extremely sexist (for no reason what so ever) but ageist aswell. I’ve seen this scenario occur on Lemmy (mainly .global), and the conclusion is always the same: the woman has the mental capacity of a 5yo.

      Also, like other things, this behaviour muddies the waters in what pedophilia is - further straying off from its definition just to allow others to use it as an baseless insult and a deregatory term for the inflicted.

        • captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
          1·
          23 天前

          Probably in that it is often seen as fine when a woman is older, as long as the man is of age

          I’m not sure how I feel, as I only have witnessed this scenario, not a teenage girl being with an adult man

          • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            23 天前

            not a teenage girl being with an adult man

            You’ve never seen any teenage girl with an adult man before? Do you not consume media at all?

            • captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
              1·
              22 天前

              I mean in real life

              But yeah, I only consume memes and old books, and apart from Lolita I didn’t encounter that either. There a situation is worse as she is underage, so I don’t think this is relevant

  • tackleberry@thelemmy.clubEnglish
    10·
    24 天前

    I wish people would let these kind of comments remain on the platform they were original posted in. I visit The Lemmy Club to get away from content like that. 😞

    • Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zonedeleted by creatorOPEnglish
      5·
      24 天前

      miisha ur mania is hitting again 🥺

      Some things/people…it’s better to let them hit :3

    • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.orgEnglish
      2·
      24 天前

      Quickly! Get her to the local queer meetup before the mania is over! (She’s in dire need of IRL friends, and I can’t be there for her because of distance and parents)

      • Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zonedeleted by creatorOPEnglish
        3·
        24 天前

        I appreciate the efforts, I do, but could you please stop? I don’t feel like it. I’m just not doing it. Sorry

  • BoosBeau@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    23 天前

    If you use “gay” as an insult, then you have cat shit where your brains are supposed to be

    • Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      22 天前

      I’m not defending it in any way, but where I’m from, disparaging things by calling them “gay” back in the 90s was ubiquitous. So much so that LGBTQ friends of mine did it at the time and up into the early 00s at least. I don’t hear it any more because everyone wised up, but at the time there was definitely a little bit of taking the power back using the term.

    • Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zonedeleted by creatorOPEnglish
      20·
      24 天前

      I really didn’t make this post with the intention of arguing about the semantics of labels. But I just want you to know, I disagree with you.

      And also…at least in my experience, men who are like that are usually chasers. Not all of them ofc, but I’ve had the pleasure before. Yuck…

        • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          10·
          23 天前

          People attracted to trans women as women aren’t fetishing their penis or are otherwise attracted to their penis for penis sake. They’re attracted to women.

          Our genitalia is not the be-all end-all of attraction.

        • Ginny [they/she]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          7·
          23 天前

          If a person is really into the idea of getting fucked by someone with a penis, but completely put off by the idea of that someone being a big, strong guy, then, is it accurate to describe that person as attracted to men? I would argue no, as that is essentially reducing sex entirely down to genitalia.

          Now, I am sure that some would argue that this is a thing that doesn’t happen in practice, and that a man who is into dick but men is just in denial due to internalised homophobia. And I think that’s definitely true in at least some cases. But I think an alternative explanation is that the man may be one of the humblest of God’s creatures; the cishet male bottom.

            • Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              7·
              23 天前

              Women fuck men with strap ons all the time and that’s straight as hell. Why would that change if said woman has a real penis? That’s like arguing that gay men that top aren’t gay because an asshole is closer to a pussy than a dick.

            • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              6·
              23 天前

              Straight men that want to be penetrated by a woman is tricky though.

              No. Men who enjoy being penetrated by women are still straight. Whether it’s a cis or trans woman, they’re still women.

              I’ve pegged many straight men. They’re still straight after I fuck them because I am a woman.

                • velma@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  5·
                  23 天前

                  I’m a cis woman though it doesn’t make a difference here.

                  I have fucked a lot of men with my strap on. A lot of straight cis men.

                  If a man identifies as straight, who the fuck are YOU to define someone else’s sexuality using your outdated views of sexual acts as gender affirming acts.

                  That you are reducing trans women down to a “feminine presenting penis” is bigoted behavior.