I mean, that’s just lies. That the ‘Left’ around here enjoys as an oversimplification, but doesn’t help you understand other people at all.
There are some people who treat women as not people, but even the far right, as I understand it, are much broader than that, and less-far right certainly.
The far right is, quite literally, removing the freedom for undesired people to do what they want. If a woman needs an abortion to survive an ectopic pregnancy or a trans person wants HRT, the far right says no.
There’s lots of things going on, and the Far Right is certainly doing evils. But so, I think, is the Far Left. And Centre. And people and politicians of all sorts.
My point is about perception. If you pick and choose your naïvete (and your lies, misunderstandings and oversimplifications), you can make it look like this meme for either side, and then wonder at people (like the centrists in this meme) who go against an extreme. How then can you understand anyone except your own echo chamber?
Sadly it undercuts your point too, to anyone outside your group who might be learning from you: because if you call people stupid for things they actually don’t mean, that turns them away from you.
If you want to see far right evils, all you need is to look at the news. The comment you replied to contains a straightforward example. Could you tell us which evils the far left is committing right now?
Are you off the opinion, then, that no evil is done by the Dems, or farther-left people and politicians? I’m not American, and I won’t now compare to the countries I have lived in. But from what I hear, for starters the Dems are much accused of taking money from big companies to influence policy - and the blocking of Sanders for presidential bid was suggested to be that. The pharmaceutical industry, whilst nobly providing the world with COVID vaccines and many other great things, is not exactly known for its honest policies. People more specifically? I don’t care to take the time to look at their lives, since I’m not part of your country and don’t vote for them. Will you claim to me that Bernie does no wrong? That Biden has no hypocrisy? That latter I remember a couple of notable incidents.
Yes the far right evil is plain and obvious these days. That will not mean the Left, or Centre, will do no wrong if in power. I think quite a small look at history will show that, but my experience is outside of America. Maybe the Dems in America are saintly and perfect? Loving and incorruptible? Putting their country first in every situation and caring for all people fairly, not letting money sway their interest? What lucky people you are, to have such a party! How strange, that so large a percentage of your countrymen could not see the perfection that shines in the Dems! How unnecessary, that every day I see on Lemmy pro-Dem propaganda that twists the truth and sensationalises the mundane; for with such a perfect party, you could stick plainly to the truth, and their goodness would shine out without problem.
It must be nice in America to know you have a political side entirely without evil. For such a side I have not seen in the world.
I agree with your take of the far left to a decent extent, but your take of the far right is dumb. They are actively “micromanaging” society by disallowing anything that doesn’t align with there “the way things were” ideals, and even then the way things were sucked for anyone who wasn’t a white Christian.
Is that so. It hasn’t looked that way to me, from the news. More, it’s looked like people getting paranoid that it’s that way. But I typically only see big news from America, and not from many news sources. What I see more is Trump being a ridiculous bully, making a mess of relations both at home and abroad, and Musk doing the nerd equivalent, trying to solve government bureaucracy as if he knows everything and damaging everything in the process, not heeding anyone’s caution. But not micromanaging society.
But if it is, I don’t think that’s what the Repb supporters see, and this sort of comparison is about how one picks and chooses certain aspects of the two sides to compare.
I mean no offense, but you are doing the exact thing you accuse others of doing. Trump is micromanaging by picking and choosing who’s free speech and who’s rights he’s going to protect and fucking over anyone who doesn’t care to bend the new if it’s news stations collages or whole groups of people. idk if you have seen recently but he’s straight up sending people to prison labor camps without do process. Look all im saying is that sure maybe at one point the republicans were what you said they were but they have gone so far off course that they have lost any ability to claim they are granting freedoms to any groups other then the hateful and intolerant
"Far Left: we’re going to force everyone into our micromanaged society and beliefs, because somehow that will fix everyone’s problems.
“Far Right: we’re going to keep things the way they were, and give people the freedom to do what they want.”
Alas, the way people see it depends a lot on what aspects you emphasise and caricature, and which you pass over. And how “far” you consider.
The far right’s definition of “people” is super limited. It doesn’t even include women.
I mean, that’s just lies. That the ‘Left’ around here enjoys as an oversimplification, but doesn’t help you understand other people at all.
There are some people who treat women as not people, but even the far right, as I understand it, are much broader than that, and less-far right certainly.
The far right is, quite literally, removing the freedom for undesired people to do what they want. If a woman needs an abortion to survive an ectopic pregnancy or a trans person wants HRT, the far right says no.
There’s lots of things going on, and the Far Right is certainly doing evils. But so, I think, is the Far Left. And Centre. And people and politicians of all sorts.
My point is about perception. If you pick and choose your naïvete (and your lies, misunderstandings and oversimplifications), you can make it look like this meme for either side, and then wonder at people (like the centrists in this meme) who go against an extreme. How then can you understand anyone except your own echo chamber?
Sadly it undercuts your point too, to anyone outside your group who might be learning from you: because if you call people stupid for things they actually don’t mean, that turns them away from you.
If you want to see far right evils, all you need is to look at the news. The comment you replied to contains a straightforward example. Could you tell us which evils the far left is committing right now?
Are you off the opinion, then, that no evil is done by the Dems, or farther-left people and politicians? I’m not American, and I won’t now compare to the countries I have lived in. But from what I hear, for starters the Dems are much accused of taking money from big companies to influence policy - and the blocking of Sanders for presidential bid was suggested to be that. The pharmaceutical industry, whilst nobly providing the world with COVID vaccines and many other great things, is not exactly known for its honest policies. People more specifically? I don’t care to take the time to look at their lives, since I’m not part of your country and don’t vote for them. Will you claim to me that Bernie does no wrong? That Biden has no hypocrisy? That latter I remember a couple of notable incidents.
Yes the far right evil is plain and obvious these days. That will not mean the Left, or Centre, will do no wrong if in power. I think quite a small look at history will show that, but my experience is outside of America. Maybe the Dems in America are saintly and perfect? Loving and incorruptible? Putting their country first in every situation and caring for all people fairly, not letting money sway their interest? What lucky people you are, to have such a party! How strange, that so large a percentage of your countrymen could not see the perfection that shines in the Dems! How unnecessary, that every day I see on Lemmy pro-Dem propaganda that twists the truth and sensationalises the mundane; for with such a perfect party, you could stick plainly to the truth, and their goodness would shine out without problem.
It must be nice in America to know you have a political side entirely without evil. For such a side I have not seen in the world.
If only you had a brain, you might not have missed the point and construed it so far up your own ass it came out your mouth.
I agree with your take of the far left to a decent extent, but your take of the far right is dumb. They are actively “micromanaging” society by disallowing anything that doesn’t align with there “the way things were” ideals, and even then the way things were sucked for anyone who wasn’t a white Christian.
Is that so. It hasn’t looked that way to me, from the news. More, it’s looked like people getting paranoid that it’s that way. But I typically only see big news from America, and not from many news sources. What I see more is Trump being a ridiculous bully, making a mess of relations both at home and abroad, and Musk doing the nerd equivalent, trying to solve government bureaucracy as if he knows everything and damaging everything in the process, not heeding anyone’s caution. But not micromanaging society.
But if it is, I don’t think that’s what the Repb supporters see, and this sort of comparison is about how one picks and chooses certain aspects of the two sides to compare.
I mean no offense, but you are doing the exact thing you accuse others of doing. Trump is micromanaging by picking and choosing who’s free speech and who’s rights he’s going to protect and fucking over anyone who doesn’t care to bend the new if it’s news stations collages or whole groups of people. idk if you have seen recently but he’s straight up sending people to prison labor camps without do process. Look all im saying is that sure maybe at one point the republicans were what you said they were but they have gone so far off course that they have lost any ability to claim they are granting freedoms to any groups other then the hateful and intolerant