According to Flores, in the years that followed she passed information about artists and political activists to the security service.
This is traitorous. Imagine an anti-establishment friend and confidant were doing this to you.
Why are people defending this?
Because she was a hostage. It’s akin to human trafficking with threats backing this up.
With an entire government providing pressure.
It’s the prisoners’ dilemma and she made her choice.
How do you believe this is the Prisoner’s Dilemma?
I think 99.9% would make the same choice.
She chose to betray her associates to improve her own situation.
You may believe 99% of people would make that choice, but I don’t think you have any evidence for that.
They were threatening her family. If you know anything about the FSB you know these are not idle threats. She chose to cooperate to prevent harm to her family and at the same time tried to get out from under the assignment she got from the FSB.
Reducing this to a prisoners dilemma is really not helpful for predicting real people’s responses to situations like that.
Her family is safe now? I doubt it. This is exactly the prisoners’ dilemma and why that thought experiment exists.
Russia is happy someone as visible as this is showing they were turned.
This sucks all around, for her, for anyone who hates fascism.
The prisoners dilemma is not real life mate. You’re trying to simplify something down to a thought experiment - you look silly. The prisoners dilemma is a puzzle with very specific restrictions and rules. It’s designed to make you THINK. It’s not designed to be a guide for real life.
But, I’ll steelman you. Let’s say it IS the prisoners dilemma. Exactly the same. Remove all obvious other variables that come from real life and simplify it down to just that. What are you trying to conclude? Are you really trying to form your moral principles from a thought experiment? I really hope not. You might want to look for a better moral compass to judge others by.
You sound ridiculous.
By all means then, head to Russia and fight the good fight then, buddy!
Lead by example. Prove me wrong.
Harrowing story, hope she’s okay
So she’s a rat, playing as a revolutionary and rolled over for putin/fsb with a bit of pressure. I bet she was a rat from the word go.
Oh and she got paid, lower than a rat.
I will die on my feet before I become a traitor.
When they are threatening your family, things change
I have no family, all are long gone. Even if apples don’t fall far from the tree.
Certainly explains how wrapped up in yourself you are - to the exclusion of any objective reality.
El queso es viejo y podrido, donde esta el sanaterio?
Es gehört ganz dir – viel Spaß damit.
𓀃𓎲𓊖𓊯𓃷𓇂 𓆊𓅴𓂍𓋇
Yet she does have family so obviously situation is completely different than yours. I’m not sure if you’ve ever heard of the word empathy that you may want to check Merriam Webster
I have whats called a backbone and I dont kneel.
What a big, strong, keyboard warrior you are. Give yourself a snack, you deserve it.
I don’t know if you’d still say that when the FSB starts poisoning your underwear
Be that as it may, at least I’m not a bought traitor.
Internet tough guys will always be funny to me.
I know what I am, and I have never folded under pressure. And certainly not for money that means fuck all when I die. I can look in the mirror and not feel ashamed. Can she?
We, like, totally believe you, buddy.
Great to hear! I believe in you too random text on a screen! Tell me about the rabbits, George.
Imagine my surprise at your inability to feel shame
and?
Cause you’re up here shamelessly doing your best internet tough guy impersonation.
I will let them torture my mother to death before I become a traitor
- TIEPilot
HAHA you’re funny.
That’s not funny, that’s what they were threatening to do and knowing the FSB, would have done.
we got a badass
Okay Nazi, do us all a favor. I don’t have you tagged Nazi for nothing
No one is impressed with this. This is cringe. Go touch grass.
Good on her for working to try to help others trapped in similar situations and for attempting to resist while in
Wow did not see this coming
