In 1998, 48% of respondents in one survey said they never used the internet. Just a few years later, weekly use was growing more normal. Now, it’s everywhere, all the time.
Yeah, but internet was for the people for decades.
(And it didn’t really cost nature as much. Or stolen from the people so much - even by current laws LLM companies do that illegally.)
“AIs” are getting their enshitification & monopolies pre-baked into their core bossiness models from the start.
Not to mention that AIs will definitely worsen inequalities all over the world (like assembly robots that replaced people but aren’t owned by people, and people still need to work 8h/day for decades for some reason).
(This but AI. I’m not saying, there aren’t/won’t be other jobs, just pointing out how this reshapes & concentrates wealth that on the other hands allows for slave wages with no prospects for full time jobs.)
If AIs will affect the world as much as the internet (and do so with peoples data), then they should be seen as core infrastructure - and government or non-profit owned.
Define “being useless”. It certainly seems that “being useless”, to you, it is either “not working” or “not creating monetary value”, which would be super ironic given that there are many jobs around the world that make the person feel useless or worse
I’d say that anyone that feels the need to define themselves “by their role” has no clue on who they are or can be, needing the rest of society to direct them
I don’t and I bet many people don’t as well. I define myself by what I know, who I know, what I believe, like and dislike, have done and can do. Roles can be assigned, but they only serve as oversimplifications of what’s expected of people. The role of “mother” only means that a woman has one or more children. Whether said children are blood related, adopted, whether she’s a “good” or “bad” mother, whether she’s married, widow, single, etc etc, is up in the air.
Your second argument there doesn’t need roles to be answered either, or do you think only specific roles can help people? Life isn’t an RPG with clear-cut classes
I was paraphrasing and trying to be nice. Fine, you didn’t say humans yearn for the workplace. You said humans existentially require the workplace.
I think if AI replaces humans in the workplace, even with UBI, humans would cease to exist shortly thereafter as our lives will have become meaningless
Even if so - the definition of oneself is what that person gets paid for, not what that person enjoys doing (or even is just good at)?
(Especially with jobs, folk on LinkedIn will describe their job as anything but their actual everyday job, or lie/exaggerate about their job when with other people - so not even that “role” is true.)
… like, lmao, except if it’s like a weird grinding kink or something.
I think there is no possible world where people are without meaningful work and are happy about it.
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Even if they collected $10,000 a month and got to spend all of their time doing hobbies and spending time with family, it would feel pointless and hollow.
What is the difference between “hobby” and “work” if not what random people decide what is better monetised?
Both is labour & value added.
In a world where everyone gets enough money people could do what they actually want. So a CEO wouldn’t be “stuck” being a CEO if they don’t like that job & would rather be eg a baker. In the current system bcs of a huge pay divergence you get an unhappy CEO (who ofc won’t quit) and an unhappy baker that just couldn’t get a more suited paying job.
But we as a society would get a lot more out of life & cultural progression if people would be happy & satisfied at what they do (job=hobby).
Empirical evidence (even USA did extensive tests in the 60s) show that given a universal income (so basically no scarcity) basically nobody just sits around watching TV all day, everyone is productive (research, art, services, etc).
Imagine only having customer support or food industry workers that truly enjoy their job & want to do it.
How many prodigies are stuck at random dead end jobs with no prospects and life options?
Labour is what we all benefit from.
Work is what the employer/owner benefits from.
Yeah, but internet was for the people for decades.
(And it didn’t really cost nature as much. Or stolen from the people so much - even by current laws LLM companies do that illegally.)
“AIs” are getting their enshitification & monopolies pre-baked into their core bossiness models from the start.
Not to mention that AIs will definitely worsen inequalities all over the world (like assembly robots that replaced people but aren’t owned by people, and people still need to work 8h/day for decades for some reason).
(This but AI. I’m not saying, there aren’t/won’t be other jobs, just pointing out how this reshapes & concentrates wealth that on the other hands allows for slave wages with no prospects for full time jobs.)
If AIs will affect the world as much as the internet (and do so with peoples data), then they should be seen as core infrastructure - and government or non-profit owned.
Monetisation of all the things is killing us.
Also the AI could automate away that man’s hobby…
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You have a very limited view of what life should, or even can be.
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Define “being useless”. It certainly seems that “being useless”, to you, it is either “not working” or “not creating monetary value”, which would be super ironic given that there are many jobs around the world that make the person feel useless or worse
I’d say that anyone that feels the need to define themselves “by their role” has no clue on who they are or can be, needing the rest of society to direct them
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I don’t and I bet many people don’t as well. I define myself by what I know, who I know, what I believe, like and dislike, have done and can do. Roles can be assigned, but they only serve as oversimplifications of what’s expected of people. The role of “mother” only means that a woman has one or more children. Whether said children are blood related, adopted, whether she’s a “good” or “bad” mother, whether she’s married, widow, single, etc etc, is up in the air.
Your second argument there doesn’t need roles to be answered either, or do you think only specific roles can help people? Life isn’t an RPG with clear-cut classes
People are being harsh with the downvotes but I get what you mean. I get bored and restless doing nothing productive for long lengths of time.
I’m also guessing you don’t mean a 40 hour grind where all the profit goes to a small group of individuals in your example.
If I was told I could work or study but didn’t have to and it was public profits, I’d probably still end up doing a 20-25 hours a week in something.
You are a bit harsh with it though. I wouldn’t say just family and hobbies is hollow.
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I was paraphrasing and trying to be nice. Fine, you didn’t say humans yearn for the workplace. You said humans existentially require the workplace.
Even if so - the definition of oneself is what that person gets paid for, not what that person enjoys doing (or even is just good at)?
(Especially with jobs, folk on LinkedIn will describe their job as anything but their actual everyday job, or lie/exaggerate about their job when with other people - so not even that “role” is true.)
… like, lmao, except if it’s like a weird grinding kink or something.
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What is the difference between “hobby” and “work” if not what random people decide what is better monetised?
Both is labour & value added.
In a world where everyone gets enough money people could do what they actually want. So a CEO wouldn’t be “stuck” being a CEO if they don’t like that job & would rather be eg a baker. In the current system bcs of a huge pay divergence you get an unhappy CEO (who ofc won’t quit) and an unhappy baker that just couldn’t get a more suited paying job.
But we as a society would get a lot more out of life & cultural progression if people would be happy & satisfied at what they do (job=hobby).
Empirical evidence (even USA did extensive tests in the 60s) show that given a universal income (so basically no scarcity) basically nobody just sits around watching TV all day, everyone is productive (research, art, services, etc).
Imagine only having customer support or food industry workers that truly enjoy their job & want to do it.
How many prodigies are stuck at random dead end jobs with no prospects and life options?
Labour is what we all benefit from.
Work is what the employer/owner benefits from.