absolute loyalty to whatever group is actually in charge of both the CIA and Israeli intelligence agencies.
I did address that. Or, in other words, the capital class which acts as a single distinct entity in most things, and uses tactics like this to ensure a lack of in-fighting.
So Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed politicians to ensure their absolute loyalty to the “capitalist class” which is also in charge of mossad and the cia? How do you explain the existence of other capitalist states whose politicians don’t diddle kids? Or do you think they all do it secretly?
Don’t you think that a salary upwards of $10000/mo plus various lucrative side-hustles and job opportunities from lobbyism and political favors, paired with the never ending nationalist propaganda about how capitalism and liberal democracy are the ideal and most fair way to organize humanity, is enough to ensure these people’s loyalty?
The vagueness of your “critique” of capitalism and your talk about a coordinated group of people pulling the strings of the rulers of society and secret services, intentionally or not, comes off kind of antisemitic and incoherent in my opinion. (And no, I am not a Zionist or in any way foster a single positive opinion about the existence of the state of israel.)
Edit: I don’t disagree with anything that “Albbi”, the person you responded to, said in their comment though.
How do you explain the existence of other capitalist states whose politicians don’t diddle kids?
Name a single one, I’ll give you an Epstein linked politician in it.
Don’t you think that a salary upwards of $10000/mo plus various lucrative side-hustles and job opportunities from lobbyism and political favors, paired with the never ending nationalist propaganda about how capitalism and liberal democracy are the ideal and most fair way to organize humanity, is enough to ensure these people’s loyalty?
I don’t think you’ve ever met anyone in business or politics. But specifically I was talking about people like Mamdani or Bernie, who essentially have no power and will never have any power that threatens capital. They will either eventually be approached, blackmailed, and forced to reverse course or killed if they ever gain actual traction.
The vagueness of your “critique” of capitalism and your talk about a coordinated group of people pulling the strings of the rulers of society and secret services, intentionally or not, comes off kind of antisemitic and incoherent in my opinion. (And no, I am not a Zionist or in any way foster a single positive opinion about the existence of the state of israel.)
If you believe anything I’ve said is antisemitic, you are unironically antisemitic.
You’re the one making extraordinary allegations. The burden of proof is on you.
Anyway, your class-based analysis is over-generalized to the point of being useless, since it doesn’t address the reality of factionalism and internal competition within the owning class, and the likelihood that there are many overlapping mechanisms that enforce owning-class solidarity, pedo-blackmail being only one. And some of those mechanisms are non-coercive, more akin to alignment of interests than to blackmail or extortion.
I don’t think a guy like Friedrich Merz or someone like Angela Merkel or Jaques Chirac or even Barrack Obama or whatever did politics in favor of capital because they were blackmailed by a shadowy cabal of global elites with proof of their heinous sex crimes.
Doing politics in favor of capital simply comes with the territory of being the leader of a capitalist state. Many of these politicians also either are part of or grew up within the capitalist class and are simply serving their own material and ideological interests.
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say about Bernie Sanders and Zohran Mamdani either, as if the people on the Epstein list were all socialist politicians that got a little too powerful and would have paved the way for workers rights and equality were it not for the evil global cabal that enticed them to diddle kids and then blackmailed them to do a 180 on their otherwise honest and humanitarian views.
I don’t think it really matters much for the existence of capitalism that some rich people like to spend their time raping people. If so and since you’re saying this has been happening since around the 60s, how do you explain the existence of capitalism before 1939? Before 1914? And even before that? Is it all built on mfers getting blackmailed for diddling kids or are there maybe other incentives for people in power to enable the unfethered accumulation of capital?
It’s a play on the “would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet” line from Romeo and Juliet.
And it was done in a playful joking way because if we assume there actually is a group that controls entities like CIA and mossad, referring to them by name doesn’t tell us much, and I wouldn’t expect a random commenter to actually know their name, if they even have one to begin with. Like, such a group would be well hidden and well informed and quite powerful.
I think that beliefs like that stem from a lack of understanding of the economic system we’re all living under and its self-perpetuating nature. Capitalism by its very logic is ever expanding and cements itself wherever it can in every nook and cranny of this planet, as well as our personal lives and psyches as shown in the last couple of decades. There is absolutely no need nor a place for an evil and organized cabal of people consciously pulling the strings of the world order. On the contrary, this system is inherently competetive and there are many many groups of people in the form of private companies that are all trying to wipe each other out and gain a monopolistic position on the world market (They dont just want this but they are practically forced to do it if you examine the logic of the system, you can read Das Kapital or some secondary sources for a more thorough explanation of it). Of course there is price fixing behind closed doors and all sorts of dirty fucking business deals, but all those are far from a world-controlling elite group.
And I believe that such rethoric is not only wrong but also antisemitic. It is a very old antisemitic dogwhistle that was widespread across europe especially during the first half of the 20th century actually. It doesn’t always have to be against the jews, these days you also see it directed at muslims a lot for example. Not that you are necessarily actively fostering antisemitic beliefs, but I find it shocking nontheless that a lot of people seem to have swallowed this line of thinking hook line and sinker following the horrible revelations of the Epstein case and perpetuate this conspiratory way of making sense of the world on the internet.
And who is “they” in your opinion? Don’t be so secretive.
I did address that. Or, in other words, the capital class which acts as a single distinct entity in most things, and uses tactics like this to ensure a lack of in-fighting.
So Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed politicians to ensure their absolute loyalty to the “capitalist class” which is also in charge of mossad and the cia? How do you explain the existence of other capitalist states whose politicians don’t diddle kids? Or do you think they all do it secretly?
Don’t you think that a salary upwards of $10000/mo plus various lucrative side-hustles and job opportunities from lobbyism and political favors, paired with the never ending nationalist propaganda about how capitalism and liberal democracy are the ideal and most fair way to organize humanity, is enough to ensure these people’s loyalty?
The vagueness of your “critique” of capitalism and your talk about a coordinated group of people pulling the strings of the rulers of society and secret services, intentionally or not, comes off kind of antisemitic and incoherent in my opinion. (And no, I am not a Zionist or in any way foster a single positive opinion about the existence of the state of israel.)
Edit: I don’t disagree with anything that “Albbi”, the person you responded to, said in their comment though.
Name a single one, I’ll give you an Epstein linked politician in it.
I don’t think you’ve ever met anyone in business or politics. But specifically I was talking about people like Mamdani or Bernie, who essentially have no power and will never have any power that threatens capital. They will either eventually be approached, blackmailed, and forced to reverse course or killed if they ever gain actual traction.
If you believe anything I’ve said is antisemitic, you are unironically antisemitic.
You’re the one making extraordinary allegations. The burden of proof is on you.
Anyway, your class-based analysis is over-generalized to the point of being useless, since it doesn’t address the reality of factionalism and internal competition within the owning class, and the likelihood that there are many overlapping mechanisms that enforce owning-class solidarity, pedo-blackmail being only one. And some of those mechanisms are non-coercive, more akin to alignment of interests than to blackmail or extortion.
I don’t think a guy like Friedrich Merz or someone like Angela Merkel or Jaques Chirac or even Barrack Obama or whatever did politics in favor of capital because they were blackmailed by a shadowy cabal of global elites with proof of their heinous sex crimes. Doing politics in favor of capital simply comes with the territory of being the leader of a capitalist state. Many of these politicians also either are part of or grew up within the capitalist class and are simply serving their own material and ideological interests.
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to say about Bernie Sanders and Zohran Mamdani either, as if the people on the Epstein list were all socialist politicians that got a little too powerful and would have paved the way for workers rights and equality were it not for the evil global cabal that enticed them to diddle kids and then blackmailed them to do a 180 on their otherwise honest and humanitarian views.
I don’t think it really matters much for the existence of capitalism that some rich people like to spend their time raping people. If so and since you’re saying this has been happening since around the 60s, how do you explain the existence of capitalism before 1939? Before 1914? And even before that? Is it all built on mfers getting blackmailed for diddling kids or are there maybe other incentives for people in power to enable the unfethered accumulation of capital?
What’s in a name? Would an Illuminati by any other name not smell as creep?
Can you rephrase that? I don’t understand
It’s a play on the “would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet” line from Romeo and Juliet.
And it was done in a playful joking way because if we assume there actually is a group that controls entities like CIA and mossad, referring to them by name doesn’t tell us much, and I wouldn’t expect a random commenter to actually know their name, if they even have one to begin with. Like, such a group would be well hidden and well informed and quite powerful.
I think that beliefs like that stem from a lack of understanding of the economic system we’re all living under and its self-perpetuating nature. Capitalism by its very logic is ever expanding and cements itself wherever it can in every nook and cranny of this planet, as well as our personal lives and psyches as shown in the last couple of decades. There is absolutely no need nor a place for an evil and organized cabal of people consciously pulling the strings of the world order. On the contrary, this system is inherently competetive and there are many many groups of people in the form of private companies that are all trying to wipe each other out and gain a monopolistic position on the world market (They dont just want this but they are practically forced to do it if you examine the logic of the system, you can read Das Kapital or some secondary sources for a more thorough explanation of it). Of course there is price fixing behind closed doors and all sorts of dirty fucking business deals, but all those are far from a world-controlling elite group.
And I believe that such rethoric is not only wrong but also antisemitic. It is a very old antisemitic dogwhistle that was widespread across europe especially during the first half of the 20th century actually. It doesn’t always have to be against the jews, these days you also see it directed at muslims a lot for example. Not that you are necessarily actively fostering antisemitic beliefs, but I find it shocking nontheless that a lot of people seem to have swallowed this line of thinking hook line and sinker following the horrible revelations of the Epstein case and perpetuate this conspiratory way of making sense of the world on the internet.