• mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 days ago

    There is no such a thing as Netenyahu controlling the USA or Trump. Trump is a scum who want to enrich himself and his family with wars and conflicts and also serve american imperialist interests in the middle east

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      9 days ago

      I’m older than many here

      Old enough to remember when things happened, and occasionally Mossad would be implicated, but what had happened always served US interests somehow

      The ledger is long, and has been filling for decades, always with the understanding that those debts would be repaid

      The US always ponies up when they’re going to be embarrassed, but they bit off more than they can chew, and their attack dog slipped the leash decades ago

      Israel and Zionists have always been experts at weaponised victimhood

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        9 days ago

        You should be old enough to know that Netanyahu was a hardliner and opposed the Oslo accords although those accords was beneficials to Israel. It allowed them to colonize more swiftly and discretely Palestinian land. Netanyahu wanted to keep the fast way of colonization but American forced him to accept.

        There is many other time where Israel listened to the USA because there was real threat if withdrawing some kind of support .

        Israel withdrew from the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza Strip. when President Eisenhower threatened to cut off all U.S. aid and support, and considered imposing UN sanctions.

        In 1991 Israel refrained from direct military retaliation to Saddam launching missiles to keep the to avoid undermining the U.S.-led Arab coalition against Saddam Intact.

        The middle east was the most important region for empires for centuries . The USA control of the straight and trade routes would be an amazing leverage against Russia and China. That’s why the USA also backed Saudi Arabia proxies in Yemen to control beb el mendeb . The war on Iran was definitely serving both Israel and the USA imperialist interests not national interests . The failure to win a war do not mean the bad intentions was not there.

        If Israel control the USA then there would be no negotiations with Iran. The full scale war will continue. If trump was blackmailed he would easily give the west bank officially to Israel like he did with the Golan heights .

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          9 days ago

          You’re so close

          I lived through all of that

          I laughed when the US went into Iraq when Kuwait slant drilled into their fields and were surprised to be shot at with US weapons

          And again when Dubya did what his handlers told him to do

          It’s not that Israel controls the US.

          They’ve been a useful tool for the West, including the UK for decades, but the power balance changed

          The Mossad did dirty work for the West, not just 'Murica

          But, Israel might be cruel and vicious, but they were clever, and they did what they did to ensure that they would always enjoy the support of the governments they did the things for that they could not do themselves

          That has now shifted, and sharply

          Between Kushner, Epstein and others, it’s not about leveraging 'Murica, it’s about leveraging Trump

          And the whole world will have to deal with it, unfortunately

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        9 days ago

        Americans fund aipac, American politicians willingly accept their money, American voters Willingly voted for aipac candidates for decades so yeah again the USA control Israel

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      I’m not a hundred percent sure with your first statement, but I agree with the rest. My (quibbling) disagreement is: from over here it looks like he’s not being controlled per se, he’s being successfully manipulated using the levers and motivations you described. not blackmail. They didn’t need to do that. Might not have been able to, as Krasnov’s reputation is such I doubt it’s possible to slander him. In this case overall it’s I think a distinction with little difference for those of us plebes but with all the difference for those in the national and international politics game.