California Governor Gavin Newsom has formally requested Trump administration officials to rescind the order to deploy the National Guard and return control of the force to California, calling the initial order unlawful and “intentionally designed to inflame the situation.”

“I have formally requested the Trump Administration rescind their unlawful deployment of troops in Los Angeles county and return them to my command,” Newsom wrote on X, formerly Twitter. “We didn’t have a problem until Trump got involved. This is a serious breach of state sovereignty — inflaming tensions while pulling resources from where they’re actually needed. Rescind the order. Return control to California.”

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    I don’t understand how Newsom can’t just order the CA national guard to not follow unlawfully given orders.

    I’m not a lawyer but the statute in the Constitution that is written into the executive order as the authorization for it literally says the national guard are under control of the state Governor.

    Why can’t Newsom give the guard orders and tell Trump to go fuck himself and see what happens? I guess at that point you’ll have conflicting orders from federal and state but, in theory, the national guard are under command of the state Governor and he’s their highest authority. So they should follow Newsom’s orders.

    Like I said IANAL so I’m sure I’m missing something but for fuck sake this is outrageous. We’re rounding people up for not having a paper, they’re not even hardened criminals. If this was hardcore enforcement of actual dangerous people that would be one thing. These are just innocent undocumented migrants trying to live the their lives same as the rest of us.

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      I don’t remember the law or EO that made it so, but sometime after September 11th the President was granted the power to take command of the National Guard. That’s not what the Constitution says? Throw it on the pile.

      In practical terms, in any given situation where both are giving conflicting or even antagonistic orders, do you listen to the governor of your state or the President of the United States?

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        In practical terms, in any given situation where both are giving conflicting or even antagonistic orders, do you listen to the governor of your state or the President of the United States?

        Kinda depends on the orders

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          Spin the scenario around; follow the orders of a sane President or a regressive, criminal Governor?

          Except that judgement call is largely subjective. The above is literally what any conservative voter who happens to be in the Guard would think of the current situation.

          It’s a messy situation to be in, one fraught with desertion, courts-martial, and sabotage.

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            Spin the scenario around; follow the orders of a sane President or a regressive, criminal Governor?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_in_the_Schoolhouse_Door

            The above is literally what any conservative voter who happens to be in the Guard would think of the current situation.

            The conservative voter is going to side with the conservative politician, regardless of which office they hold.

            It’s a messy situation to be in, one fraught with desertion, courts-martial, and sabotage.

            Maybe. I guess we’ll see.

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      I don’t understand how Newsom can’t just order the CA national guard to not follow unlawfully given orders

      That would mean confronting Trump directly, and Newsom is a coward who doesn’t really expect the Nat Guard to follow his orders over Trump’s.

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      Doesn’t the insurrection act allow the US president to take control of the national guard, even without a governor’s consent?

      Hence the reason Trump keeps calling protestors “insurrectionists.”

      (Not that I agree with Trump’s bullshit)