• boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world
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    Well, a few things…

    First and foremost, all authority is derived from a threat of force. Let’s just get that out of the way.

    Second, the “agreement” not to use that force on our own citizens has been steadily blurred by an increasingly militarized police force. What we’ve been seeing in terms of civil unrest in this country is the inevitable result of that. The police in this country have turned themselves into an occupying force.

    Third, conservative media has been gradually instilling a desire for violence in conservative culture. They’ve been doing this for decades. They’ve been playing the same familiar tropes that enable cultures to engage in the practice of othering, which makes them ambivalent to the idea of violence being inflicted on people outside of their cultural identity.

    Lastly, Trump doesn’t give a shit about this, and neither do conservative representatives. Outright flagrant dishonesty is a pillar of cultural conservatism. Never believe what they are saying. They have a set of rules and protections that they apply to others, and an entirely different set that they apply to everyone else.

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    Trump found out that he can gas protesters. Permission was given to him for that church walk/photo op. No one did boo. So now, Trump is gasing protestors again.

    When will you get gassed?.

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    Police officers are part of the government, they bear arms against citizens literally every day. The premise is entirely flawed.

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    What’s happening is that the other two branches of our government have (mostly) abdicated to the Executive branch; therefore, absent the lower courts who can’t act in real-time for the most part, Donald has carte blanche to do whatever he wants without any meaningful accountability.

    Some court or another may intervene, but it can’t happen quickly enough to stop what ICE is doing right now.

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      Not to mention that both the SCOTUS and other courts have ordered this administration to cease deporting people without due process, which they’ve unsurprisingly have gone on to ignore.

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      This is the perfect time to army up and storm Fox News. Salem Media Group, OAN, the Heritage Foundation, and every other Nazi organization in the US.

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    I mean correct me if I am wrong sending in the National Guard/ Military and using force against civis breaking the constitution? I thought that was the whole point of the second amendment. Not taken to the extreme people do. But lets say the national guard open fire on civilizans protect people who have green guards or whatever would not a constitutional lawyer have a field day going after the government?

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      You may be misremembering the 2nd amendment:

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      It doesn’t say anything about the government being prohibited from using force against citizens. It’s about citizens being able to have firearms (arguably, with the caveat that they’re part of a militia, but that’s a whole other discussion).

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        (arguably, with the caveat that they’re part of a militia, but that’s a whole other discussion).

        Arguably, it’s the same discussion. Theoretically, the National Guard is the [organized] militia, and the fact that it’s fighting against the people instead of defending them just goes to show how perverted it’s become from its original purpose.

        By the way, I say “[organized]” because the “unorganized militia” is defined as:

        all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States

        (Yes, you read that right: even the ‘dreamers’ and asylum-seekers the thugs are trying to deport count as militia as long as they’ve declared that they want to become citizens. Also, yes, the definition is sexist and really ought to be updated to be gender-neutral.)

        Also by the way, the National Guard/militia is supposed to be under the control of the state governor, not the President. So that’s another way this is fucked up: I would argue that Trump is violating the 2nd Amendment, on to of everything else, by usurping the militia.

    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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      I mean correct me if I am wrong sending in the National Guard/ Military and using force against civis breaking the constitution?

      Depends on what the NG does.

      They can be used as ‘protection’ which would mean a defensive role in the case of civilians engaging in violence. I think the Insurrection Act has to be invoked in order for NG troops to go on the offensive, but I only know what I’ve read online and am no expert.