Based on what we know now, Harris would have been a bad president. She lost and didn’t ask for a recount when she should have and then disappeared. AOC and Bernie on the other hand have taken a stand against fascism. I’m with them not the d’s.
Based on what we know now I’m not in the know. What do we know now?
Harris just disappeared, has zero interest in actually being a leader, has zero interest in spearheading a democratic movement, is doing jack shit to help make this transition easier through good will projects, she literally doing nothing, yet I’ve started getting please gib money texts with her name on them again… maybe if she hadn’t pulled a vanishing act we could at least talk but like, wtf is she even doing that she needs my money? I don’t even live in her state.
I’m pretty far left of Harris ideologically and never really liked her or thought she was worthy of these powerful offices. I also never really expected that much from her. That being said, I was passionate about dropping Biden and supporting her campaign even at that late hour, given the immense implications of electing trump for a second term. I donated money, and rallied friends and family to get on board. Then she did that DNC speech and talked about the ‘strongest military’ yadda yadda yadda. All of that energy and enthusiasm instantly evaporated. Nothing she or her campaign did after that motivated any active support from me and I had to really fight off the urge to not vote for her. I’m entirely done with the Democratic Party as run by the current regime. Unless that party reforms, the US is absolute toast.
I was so excited after she picked Tim Walz. It was starting to look like the most progressive ticket in decades, she was ahead in the polls, and then she turned around and started campaigning with Republicans and CEOs. Total betrayal.
And yeah, she disappeared. I hear more from Biden and Obama than from her.
She made an imaginary rule in her head that she had to copy 100% of Biden’s polices no matter how unpopular.
The Democrats were offered a total reset from Biden’s unpopularity and instead decided to repeat it all. It was incredible how they threw away what should have been an easier victory.
I think it was an agreement she was told she had to make in order for the nod.
that and her husband and idiotic brother-in-law campaign manager were ardent zionists first and foremost. She was never going to break from Biden on that.
“A lot of the people are saying it was Joe Biden’s fault that Kamala Harris lost the election … not true. It was the fault of Kamala Harris and her consultants,”
He also said “I ran all over the country to try to elect her” so it’s a pretty longshot from these comments claiming both sides bad. If all of you, everyone eligible to vote in 2024, had listened to Bernie Sanders then Kamala Harris would be president and none of this would have happened.
I blame it mostly on Biden refusing to drop out, but yes political consultant bullshitters and billionaires are a huge problem. AIPAC especially.
Proper headline:
“Harris Chose Billionaires Over Working Class; Voters Chose to Burn It Down Rather Than Submit to More Democrat Pretending”
If the choice is between a fast death with Trump and a slow death with corporate Democrats morphing into Republicans, can we really blame folks for choosing a fast death?
We need progressive, true left politics if we ever want to recover.
I mean, yea, I will absolutely blame people that voted for Trump as the reason Trump got elected. Anyone that voted for the “fast death by Trump” is a red coat moron that ushered this in. I’d much rather deal with slimy Democrats that at least throw us the occasional bone and aren’t actively attacking various minority groups over the current fascist state of affairs.
Suggesting that people that voted for him are somehow victims or not to blame is an insult to everyone else and gives credence and excuse to being a worthless human.
I blame it on people too stupid to vote for someone other than Trump.
Couch sitters, too. If you’re so apathetic or ignorant you think not voting because you erroneously believed the BoTH sIDeS bullshit or voting Trump was better, that is the problem.
But then you must trace the root of why people are ignorant and apathetic to the right-wing propaganda machine both foreign and domestic.
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Democrats got paid to lose plain and simple
I don’t have a ton of confidence the working class would choose someone who did choose them. Bernie is that candidate, and shenanigans aside from the dem primary, he didn’t swing a landslide.
Most of the US working class still hates and fears the things that benefit them, such as socialist policies and unions. Propoganda dies hard.
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No, I’m saying he already chose the working class and it hasn’t galvanized the working class to support him by a significant majority so I’m not sure it would have worked for Kamala. Bernie probably would have won a small majority, but done no better than corporate candidates have because the working class doesn’t seem to galvanized behind a candidate that does choose them.
When Bernie was running the entire mass media did like a 24/7 campaign blasting how he “can’t win”… It was non-stop.
The casual voter didn’t even have a chance to listen to him, he was constantly blasted with nonsense.
I must have been an early ‘out of the cable TV news loop’ person then. Explains some things.
People heard him. He had many rallies and participated in primary debates. He also had a book out, did interviews. He had a very repetitive message which is normally good for politicians. Some of his ideas were very out of the norm for the time, some isolationist ideas-- not saying they were not valid but there was an alternative running that fed into people’s prejudices and encouraged them to be hostile and mean- fed their dopamine centers, and said the words “communist” and “socialist” a lot. Also there were a lot of Democrats who wanted to vote for a Democrat, not a “Democrat for convenience.”
He is too old to run for president. Can’t we just stop with the gerontocracy?
Quiet down bot. Your comments are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
No one is suggested Bernie run – they are suggesting the system that knecapped him be examined and anyone involved in it dethroned. at minimum. We cant keep doing this stuff.
They kneecapped him in 2016? He was the only one who could have beaten trump the first time?
Billionaires chose Trump, so Trump won. That’s how US politics works
i hate the dnc but my perspective is mostly dont vote for the fascist
That disqualifies democrats as well.
Yeah, but Trump does the same. Kamala had better taxes planned for the working class and the poor. Trump also has a very poor track record. You can blame Kamala for not doing it right, but imo the issue is mass disinformation and people being extremily dumb.
I never felt Harris actually stood for anything. This is easily the first election where I felt all the decisions made by the DNC were hard wrong - and I already thought the DNC fucked everything up when the turned on Sanders - but this time they really chose every bad option they could. A senior citizen that was absolutely having problems (outside the debate performance) and choosing an inclusivity* candidate that really had a checkered past of making climbing the ladder a priority while having no real policy gains or stances. Even in the lead up to everything, the other candidates were all but brushed aside. No real debate over policy or where the country was going.
She said whatever middle of the road thing needed to be said to appeal to enough people while leveling mealy criticism at best for the real problems, from Israel’s shitty war to attacks worker’s right in the US. We went from a candidate that should have never run again to a candidate that hadn’t given anyone a reason to want her to run at all at the last minute. And that’s awful, especially to lose against trump.
- I hate to even say it, but the fact is that the DNC wanted to run a black female. They banked on the (I can’t think of the word/name for it - people who want to do things for a minority community, but do so cluelessly, remove agency of the group, disregard the actual needs and culture of the group. Usually modestly wealthy white people making “programs” for minority communities) people to vote for the feel-good of voting a minority person up while not actually thinking that people would have needs and policy concerns that would influence their vote, or their willingness to vote at all. The DNC already had “protect the rich white people” as a top priority. They didn’t think people were smart enough to sense that, and everyone really had a feeling that the Democrats didn’t care about them anymore.
Edit: found it. It’s “white saviorism” or “white savior complex.”
Yeah. I don’t know if there’s a term for it, but the Alt-Right Book describes it too: https://youtu.be/wCl33v5969M
That’s an interesting video, and I don’t think it defines exactly what I was trying to say, but it absolutely is tangential to it.
I want to say White Paternalism, where white people think they know what is best for minority groups, but that name often has an association with racism.
Edit: found it: “white saviorism”
Ah, saviorism. Yeah that’s definitely what you’re describing.
I guess what the video is describing is yeah tangential and/or like a superset. Groups high on the power structure use those who’re lower as proxies for their vying for power/resources/etc.
Yes, the video definitely suggests groups can be used as pawns and virtue signaling for those trying to “help” or use the appearance of it to further an agenda.
It’s not just Kamala Harris, it is democrats in general. I get that they want the first woman president … but its not going to happen in this political environment. Many Hatian immigrants that voted for Trump just because they don’t think a woman can be president. Copy that … Trump said these people are eating cats and they still voted for him. Hispanics? News flash, they are predominantly Catholic … so Pro Choice doesn’t go over well for them. Then people got angry because Kamala skipped the whole nomination prosses. Stuff like this is why she lost. Biden should have ran, then resigned after he beat Trump again.
Biden wasn’t ever going to beat trump after that complete failure of a debate. Harris was the dems Hail Mary play after they finally realized that.
Yeah I thought the odds of her winning were less than 50% but they were still bette than the odds of Biden winning again.
No way Biden wins a second time. His mind was critically failing during the debates, the average voter saw that, and minorities didn’t win him the election overall, white people did.
We have literal scientific proof that voters don’t give a shit if the candidate is a man or a woman.
Please really do stop this narrative. It makes more damage than you think
You can’t have “scientific proof” on an opinion. That’s dumb. If voters don’t care if the candidate is a man or woman THEN WHY HAVE THEY ALL BEEN MEN? I think that ends your “science” right there.
This was the weirdest response I have ever had on Lemmy … congrats.
Yeah man, fuck scientific research I guess, your totally sustainable anecdotal evidence is proof enough
How’s Kamala victory working out for you btw
You make no sense.
My point: The US is not ready fir a woman president and won’t elect one. Dems need to stop running women.
Your Point (apparently): Science says voters don’t care if the candidate is male or female.
Let’s test your theory in the laboratory of life. To be correct by your measure the US should have around a 50% male/female ratio, we will say 40/60 proves it as well.
There have been 45 people elected to the 60 US presidential terms.
Let’s look at the elected presidents. By your measure, should it not matter to voters, we should have had 20-23 women as president. We should also have 40-50% women in Congress, the House, and Senate. Let’s check those numbers …
of US presidents in history: None
Women in politics is currently the highest it has ever been. The numbers are 28% in Congress, 29% in the House and 25% in the Senate.
Hmmm … it looks like there is a substantial difference in how voters feel.
This is the part where you throw a fit and start name calling.
Biden should have ran
Even before the Jun 27 debate fiasco, the polls always showed that Biden had very little chance of winning. He was trying to actively facilitate a AIPAC genocide and simultaneously win a close campaign race from the “left” party. If the DNC had run a real primary process, and if the media had held Biden to his promise to only run a single term, things might have been different.
