12 year olds still being raped and impregnated is bleak.
Indeed. However, the cited data doesn’t tell us anything about child rape. Sexual activity between two adolescents is not statutory rape. This is the overwhelming majority of cases.
You can pretend like underage pregnancies are all from consensual underage sex, but I’m not going to close my eyes to truths of the world.
I don’t believe I said anything of the sort. My point was only that the data presented is not representative of the current state. We have every reason to believe that the cited numbers were recorded at or near their peak, and that they have fallen precipitously in the past 30+ years.
Fair. I should have said that the cited data provides no data quantifying the prevalence of child rape. From the cited data, you cannot tell me if it was derived from 60 cases or 60 million. From that data, you cannot tell me the scale of the problem. From that data, you cannot tell me how it stacks up to, say, murder, or cannibalism.
I can say that whatever it was in the early 1990’s, it is far better now.
Again, this data sucks. From this data we have no idea whether your claim is true. We all know your claim to be true and valid, but that conclusion does not arise from this particular data. This data is terrible.
What we can say from this data is that 100% of the cases it studies are rape. This data does not count all rapes: It counts only those rapes that have resulted in pregnancy. It doesn’t count all teenage pregnancies: It doesn’t count a case where two adolescents agree to have sex, and that sex results in pregnancy.
This particular data does not even support a claim that adults are having sex with children! That’s the problem I am talking about. You have to go outside this data to make any meaningful conclusion. That is how terrible this data is.
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Indeed. However, the cited data doesn’t tell us anything about child rape. Sexual activity between two adolescents is not statutory rape. This is the overwhelming majority of cases.
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I don’t believe I said anything of the sort. My point was only that the data presented is not representative of the current state. We have every reason to believe that the cited numbers were recorded at or near their peak, and that they have fallen precipitously in the past 30+ years.
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Fair. I should have said that the cited data provides no data quantifying the prevalence of child rape. From the cited data, you cannot tell me if it was derived from 60 cases or 60 million. From that data, you cannot tell me the scale of the problem. From that data, you cannot tell me how it stacks up to, say, murder, or cannibalism.
I can say that whatever it was in the early 1990’s, it is far better now.
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Again, this data sucks. From this data we have no idea whether your claim is true. We all know your claim to be true and valid, but that conclusion does not arise from this particular data. This data is terrible.
Rereading the cited data again, it doesn’t actually say that adult men impregnate children.
Obviously, they do, but the presented data doesn’t support that conclusion.
Is there perhaps some data that you didn’t present that would support your argument? Did you miss something essential to your point?
Do these statistics refer to 60 19-year-old girls? 60 million 8-year-olds? How do you know? How would I know?
I’m having a hard time understanding who are you trying to disprove with this statement:
I dont think OP even mentioned justifying rape. So what purpose do these straw men serve you?
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Now I believe they where talking about this: https://lemmy.today/comment/23688619
But I do understand where you’re coming from in this case.
What we can say from this data is that 100% of the cases it studies are rape. This data does not count all rapes: It counts only those rapes that have resulted in pregnancy. It doesn’t count all teenage pregnancies: It doesn’t count a case where two adolescents agree to have sex, and that sex results in pregnancy.
This particular data does not even support a claim that adults are having sex with children! That’s the problem I am talking about. You have to go outside this data to make any meaningful conclusion. That is how terrible this data is.