• 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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      vote in the primaries instead of complaining that the candidates suck.

      you’re only allowed to complain that they suck if you didn’t vote for them in the primaries

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        That argument works for literally every other election except 2024 because Bidens pride got in the way and they shuffled the human equivalent of a spare tire forward.

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        Ah yes. The democratic party enthusiastically supported the progressive candidate for mayor in New York.

        Right?

        Didn’t try to run an “independent” splitter candidate to torpedo their own candidate.

        Right?

        Didn’t run Andrew “Sex Crimes” Cuomo against the actual democratic nominee?

        Right?

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          I mean he won the primary, was the democratic candidate and then won the election.

          It’s proof that the other comment or was exactly right, you need to go out and vote in the primaries for good candidates.

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          you’re not wrong, but you can’t not participate and then complain about the candidates.

          you hate AIPAC? your vote really matters in the primaries.

          this is the only way we can get rid of AIPAC’s influence

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            Strawman. I vote in every election.

            But I don’t hold it against those who don’t. They correctly see the two party system as completely uninterested in representing them and delivering any material benefit to voters.

            It’s up to Democrats to earn votes. They aren’t owed votes. And if they keep fucking around in primaries (if they even have primaries — cf. Kamala), then they can expect third party candidates.

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              good. I’m not disagreeing with you. fuck the Dems, but pressuring them by favoring progressives in primaries (not only for presidential candidates) is the best change we got to get out of this mess.

              and again, fuck them for being fascist lite,

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            Lol. Local progressives won two seats on city council. Instead of working with them (very blue city), the city council stonewalled them.

            Then dumped millions of dollars into city council races. Didn’t matter how many doors they knocked after that.

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              not sure if they will still pull their superdelegate bullshit on the presidential ballot, but for all other position? they do run them.

              And even small positions are important, from local to federal level, no one who accepts AIPAC should be a candidate.

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          The DNC will do everything in its power to ensure change can never happen from the voters.

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            How do you know that? To this point, they have only run the winner of the primary in the general election. In 2024, they ran the winner of the primary, but when he dropped out, they ran his running mate instead. What did you expect them to do?

            If you want change to happen, you need to convince the voters. They control who the Democratic Party runs.