https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysee
Too much of a Nazi bar problem or a decent YouTube alternative? Thinly veiled American capitalism or respectable if not entirely unproblematic attempt at disturbing the monopoly?
Yes I am very knowingly and purposefully asking how “we” feel about it.
There’s a lot of Nazi stuff on there. Hard pass.
From when I used to go on there for a couple yt people whose videos are also simultaneously on there, I noticed it wasn’t the nicest of platforms. On a particular Canadian I used to watch, I would notice some people in the comments calling him an Indian ( Asian, not native ) n-word and a few other things I wasn’t okay with.
I had also noticed a lot of kinda deep conspiracy type content in the default home video whatever menu thing ( like on yt ). Also some less than stellar, IMO, political stuff. There was a cool artist that I would occasionally we drawings from, though, but that was far and few in between the more alternative content I would see.
Needless to say, I kinda ditched the platform and am reminded I still need to delete my account if I can.
The alternative nature of the platform kinda kicked me away from it. Otherwise, it was an okay enough platform. Not a fan of the whole cryptocurrency like things you could get for watching videos on platform and then send it to creators you like, too. That felt wrong in many ways, but it is what it is.
Odysee is a big disappointment. It had the potential to be an alternative to YouTube, especially with some semi-big youtubers endorsing it. However, the lack of any basic moderation has led it to be full of neo-nazis. It wouldn’t be that much of a problem for me if content by neo-nazis wasn’t the only original content you can find in there (at least that is notable). So unless you are a neo-nazi yourself, you’re better off just watching YouTube. A lot of the YouTubers that brought their content over has stopped uploading there too, probably because of the same problem
It was full of antivax bullshit during the pandemic so I feel really angry about it. Fuck Odysee.
In my own subjective opinion, Odysee, Bitchute, and Rumble are all pretty sadly the same in terms of allowing some of the worst alt-right garbage on there, and promoting it.
Rumble, sure, it’s literary connected to Trump, so no surprise there. But Odysee and Bitchute tried to draft on Rumble.
It would be nice if Odysee’s decentralized structure could exist without being full of Nazis. Can you clear Nazis out of a Nazi bar? Yes, but how long does it take to stop being a Nazi bar after that?
We don’t know each other, right? So, all I can say is that I have no opinion about Odysee as I barely know them as an alternative to YT.
Also, I don’t want to consider hearsay or rumors a trustworthy source of info to make my opinion on anything, or anyone.
It’s kinda bland, but there are some neat creators there like this couple biking the world and documenting it on a pinephone running sxmo.
I’d like all these creators to be on PeerTube, but I get it hosting is daunting, and discovey in a centralized system is easier, so platforms line Odyssey. The crypto and free speech stuff attract a certain segment too, right or wrong. Their new effort to be a youtube front-end will put them in competition with invidious and similar too.
Yeah whenever I see “crypto”, I get a slight internal sigh/groan.
I don’t see any Nazi content. What are you talking about?
Just a ton of nerdy weirdos going on rants about shit or streaming their video games.
If you want a platform that only feeds you the content you want to see, all you have to do is use Youtube.
I’m fine with civil discourse, even with some unsavory opinions. Not so fine with people spreading blatant misinformation and propaganda. There needs to be decent moderation for this, which as I understand, Odysee seems to fail at.
As @dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone is pointing out, commitment to (absolute) free speech tends to attract Nazis. And by Nazis I mean, actual, literal Nazis, not just people who don’t agree with me on soylent being a decent meal replacement.
Also, lets never forget that (absolute) free speech would also cover allowing “theoretical” discussion on how to manipulate, groom and kidnap children for certain purposes etc. How to “theoretically” build bombs. How to “theoretically” drug and kill people etc. You might not be persecuted for having these “theoretical” discussions, which is fine but I think it’s healthy for any online space to remove such topics.
any platform committed to free speech and no censorship will attract Nazis, fwiw - so it wouldn’t be surprising a decentralized blockchain project that is committed to free speech might have Nazis on its platform
Platforms that have no free-speech and censorship… also have Nazis.
They are everywhere.
Good luck creating a Nazi-free platform.
the point is that the free-speech platforms generally try to make it harder to remove content, so that the typical moderation that happens on more mainstream platforms isn’t possible
it’s for this reason Nazis in particular flock to those spaces and form their communities, because there’s no one to stop them
So don’t use them?
I don’t understand what your problem is. You don’t want to see Nazi content, nobody is forcing you to watch it. You just seem to think it shouldn’t exist at all?
Nazis wrote books too, does that mean you can’t ever read a book?
whoa, weird hostility - I don’t care about this at all, and I’m not making a point; ironically I’m someone who has spent time in communities like ZeroNet where this is an issue. I’m just clarifying why the Nazi bar problem is real and prevalent in so many of the decentralized, free-speech-oriented online communities (to help the person I was responding to understand the context)
Again, what is your point? Nazis exist, yes. And you what… think any platform that doesn’t try to systematically erase them is bad or something? Or you only feel comfortable using a platform that has never once ever had any Nazi content on it?
What is your end goal here? So far all I can tell is you are like: ‘this thing exists, and there are maybe some nazis on it.’.
Where you are going after that I am totally confused.
