Brave is essentially just Chrome with an adblocker, a bunch of bloatware, and a bunch of controversies.
Brave took BAT donations in YouTuber’s names without their consent, with them keeping the money if the YouTubers didn’t claim it. https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2019/01/13/brave-web-browser-no-longer-claims-to-fundraise-on-behalf-of-others-so-thats-nice/
Brave’s search engine crawler hides itself from websites by pretending to be Googlebot, and Meta (Facebook) buys API access from them to train their AI. https://stackdiary.com/brave-selling-copyrighted-data-for-ai-training/
The business model of Brave rewards as a whole is to block all other ad networks to replace them with their own, which is unfair as only YouTubers and websites that have joined can make money from most Brave users.
If Brave actually cared, they would create an acceptable ads style feature which was free for everyone and allowed simple contextual banners while blocking ads which track you, take up most of the page, or have NSFW content.
Their approach is monopolistic as they have full control and can strangle YouTubers and websites by dropping pay at any time.
And Brenden Eich has said on Twitter that he plans to release “Brave Origin”, which is a paid version of Brave without the bloatware. That name is ironic as he is admitting that his browser is commercialised and bloated, which is similar to when gorhill gave uBlock way to Chris Aljoudi who commercialised it, which led him to create uBlock Origin.
If you use Brave, ditch it and look at using Librewolf or Helium instead, which both include no ads nor tracking and don’t have Brave News, Rewards, Wallet, Talk etc bloatware.
But brave still has the best fingerprint resistance of any browser. Except for tor which is too slow for me. If mullvad browser ever gets on android I will use that, for now I will use brave.
I always use and recommend hardened Firefox + Ublock. As a search engine, I use Qwant, which is based in the EU and uses its own search engine whenever possible rather than Google, Bing, etc. And there is another reason not to recommend using Brave. Among its investors is Peter Thiel, the most controversial figure in the investment world. Search for Peter Thiel’s controversial statements in your favourite search engine and you will see for yourself.
Consider a SearXNG instance. It can use Quant as a source, but balance across other engines to get the best results based on overlap (you choose the engines).
Brave is the browser version of Honey. It blocks 3rd party ads and inserts its own, taking the money. Either block the ads or don’t but this is shitty.
All brave users I personally know are dumb ass racist maga garbage people.
Edit : wtf i’m telling the truth. I didn’t say anything about you. Peter Thiel, did you make several accounts on Lemmy and are down-voting me?
I’m too ready to ladybird browser to be ready in a few years.
I was looking forward to ladybird until I saw social media posts from the person who runs the project, like:
In recent years I’ve attended multiple software conference talks that had unrelated extreme political rhetoric in slides, such as “fuck [name]” and “punch [group]”.
Whenever this happened, some of the audience would clap and cheer, I’d roll my eyes, and the talk would get back on topic.
Fast-forward to today, and look at how many people in our industry are openly celebrating the murder of someone they decided was a “nazi” and “fascist”. Turns out these people were more serious than I thought.
As someone who’s repeatedly been called a “nazi” and “fascist” myself for disagreements with far-left ideology, I know how easily those labels get thrown around. And honestly, this is making me seriously reconsider which conferences I attend.
There’s a hateful rot within our industry. It shouldn’t be socially acceptable to cheer for murder. We need to do more than roll our eyes.
source: https://nitter.net/awesomekling/status/1967178708852097278
Can you really discount and avoid a whole project because of that statement?
It reads like: “Can we keep politics out of software?”
Which I agree with for the most part.
I’m not sure I have experienced enough of life to make this statement, but it feels like in recent years a lot of people are becoming radicalized through social media, etc, which is seeing its spread into every conversation and space. Maybe he is done with politics and doesn’t want to keep hearing about it in unrelelated spaces (software conferences). What’s wrong with that?
I’ve seen the guy on a podcast where he explains ladybird, he seems like a good dude doing it out of love and to see competition in the browser space, I can’t fault him for this (nothing burger).
Do you think differently?
To those asking “which browser other than Firefox”
It’s fantastic. It’s Chrome, stripped of junk, with full (not lite) Ublock Origin natively supported and shipped. What more could you want?
And it can coexist alongside Firefox.
Cromite is also great, but its antifingerprinting is so hardcore it breaks some sites. That’s perfect for shopping/private browsing, but a bit much for daily driving unless tracking resistance is your #1 priority.
On iOS and OSX, Orion (from Kagi) is sublime. It’s Safari based (which you want for Apple stuff), but heavily modified with a native blocker, and supports extensions if you really need them. There aren’t many Safari “forks” like it.
I say this because I’ve been through a gauntlet of trying a bunch. Bromite, ungoogled chromium, waterfox, pale moon, Thorium, Vivaldi, all sorts of iOS apps and Firefox/Chromium forks. And these feel like endgame to me. Helium is just about perfect (as long as its development isn’t dropped), and Orion is close aside from some UI quirks.
If you used Ungoogled Chromium why did you switch and recommend Helium? Can’t you achieve Helium settings and tweaks on Ungoogled Chromium? Why add an additional party to potentially delay security updates?
Ungoogled Chromium does not support full uBlock Origin. Last I checked, it wont auto-update itself on Windows without a 3rd party tool, and I remember it having some other “quirks” from the stuff it strips out. The delay for security updates seems pretty minimal, too.
And personally, I like the bangs feature, now that I’m using Orion on iOS anyway.
But its based on ungoogled-chromium, so if you prefer to use upstream, that makes a lot of sense. Helium’s main pitch seems to be an “easier to install” ungoogled chromium anyway.
it did not take long for the Brave browser to go from hero to villain-status.
It’s been a villain for years. You just hear more from the “stop using Firefox because it isn’t perfect” paid accounts around here.
Ah yes let me use Helium
Whoop it uses google’s browser monopoly
Firefox then
Whoo it is chained by googles search engine deal
Firefox then
Whoo it is chained by googles search engine deal
This is some serious self eating idealist talk here.
In life you must realize there are many situations where you think about the context and consequences of your choices, and you choose the closest to viable option.
Firefox is that.
It sucks that there is that google deal, but ultimately the world effects of firefox dying are wide reaching despite its diminishing numbers and so much greater than so many casually Mozilla doomer takes realize.
I don’t like Brave or the amount of bloat. Sadly what is missing from basically all Chromium forks is even basic browser anti-fingerprinting. The only other real example I can think of is Cromite, which is what i recommend people use instead of Brave.
Honestly what do people have against Firefox that can’t be fixed with plugins? It’s the only decent browser that isn’t chrome based, and I think that deserves support. And with plugins and sync it’s a great experience.
so it s bad bc of some opt in feature ? tbf it work great and suit my use case i dont see any argument that will make me ditch it
It’s bad because it’s a Peter thiel funded MAGA browser run by someone who hates people for their sexual orientation
And ? Wont you find me ridiculous if i said i didnt want to use software coded by trans ppl ? what do i care about the opinion of the guys or what he does with his money ?
Are you serious? Of course people should care if people are using their power and influence to strip certain people of their rights.
yes i forgot the litteral genocide of trans ppl. Sorry i dont care.
That’s probably because you’re a piece of shit.
it s a never ending argument that s only based on vibes. We can literally make dozen of similar one with any brand or product. I mean it s a choice to place trans right uper than child labor, and you r free to do so but lecturing other on the principle you do it isnt fair.
Nobody mentioned child labour.
Thinking gay and trans people should have human rights does not mean you must be fine with child labour.
Nope, Brave is way better than FF has ever been. I will keep using it and promote it if someone asks me. I don’t care about the supposed scandals of Brave or political opinions of Eich, that’s not my business and he’s not my friend nor an acquaintance of mines.
And no, using Librewolf still gives market share to Gecko, this to Mozilla. No way I’d touch that thing. What’s more, I’d gladly donate to make Mozilla disappear, if I could. Now, feel free to downvote me to hell. I won’t bother to reply to anyone. Better yet, I’ll just block the annoying people that will surely feel obliged to insult me.
I recommend looking at Helium and Cromite as alternatives.
As for Firefox, I don’t like it too, and I’ve wrote a similar post about it on this sub but it got downvoted by -66 points.
Nope, Brave has better isolation, better privacy and a great adblock. Period. Don’t care about downvotes. Only losers care for imaginary internet points.
Literally nobody is downvoting or challenging you. Go back to Reddit if you want to attention farm.
I’ll make you a favor and give you a bit of may attention only to make you notice how pathetic your comment is.
Goodbye.
For Android, Vanadium in GOS is a better option than Brave.
For computers, I have to say that this comment has some foundation. Why?
For general navigation (things that don’t require login): Use Mullvad Browser
For logins (things that don’t require total privacy and require better security: email, bank account, etc): For now use Brave (or Trivalent if you are using SecureBlue, or Ungoogled Chromium if you are techy savvy enough to keep the uBO extension working reliably)
With this premise, of privacy and security in PC, is difficult to outcome Brave for the later in terms of convenience.
Brave is open source, if you have a problem with something on it please bring it to us. The bloatware can be managed via settings (although very annoying and not sure when enshifitication will become unbearable).
For those recommending Vivaldi, Vivaldi is not completely open source. So, no, I can’t trust it.
Brave is open source, if you have a problem with something on it please bring it to us.
Absolutely 0 problems. I use it everywhere.
