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      6 months ago

      With a distinct difference. When the west do it, it’s a spy shit (think James bond/mission impossible), when everyone else does it, it’s terrorism.

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      I mean yeah that’s kinda the point of sleeper cells.

      “So Steve, what do you do for a living?”

      “Oh I’m an agent of a foreign country waiting for a signal to strike.”

      “Nice, same.”

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          Hmm it’s an interesting question. I would say no for two reasons. The US has enough military power to do what they want overtly (see 2026), and I doubt the US could keep something like that quiet for long enough to matter. Surely something like that would have been leaked if anyone knew about it.

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          The most conventionally powerful military won’t have nearly as much need to plan for being on the smaller side of an asymmetric war.

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      6 months ago

      It’s because enough people in the swing states just couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a President with the wrong genitals.

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        It’s weird to keep running back to “Harris only lost because she was a women” when multiple women won states that she lost. Michigan handed Democrat Elissa Slotkin the Senate seat, while breaking for Trump nationally. Arizona had just put up Katie Hobbs for governor two years earlier. NV-3 put up Dem Susie Lee to Congress while voting for Trump overall.

        Consistently, the Trump/Harris divide came in the negative - people turned out for Trump and only Trump, leaving the downticket blank. Republicans had a significant Presidential over vote purely based on the MAGA cult of personality. Trump’s coat tails ran into the negatives.

        Hillary ran into the same problem in 2020. She was personally toxic, losing in states that other Democrats won, largely because her own personal brand was in the trash. This was not a problem for other candidates because they hadn’t spent a prior decade going on national TV and alternately enraging and disgusting people.

        It also cannot be understated that mail-in voting massively inflated liberal turnout in 2020. Dems had the opportunity to keep that ball rolling with a national voting rights act they could have passed through their bicameral majority. They decided it wasn’t important. And then Republicans made huge inroads in 2022 and 2024 by disenfranchising elderly liberal voters - particularly voters of color - by rolling back mail-in ballot laws in every state they controlled.

        You might also note that Dems keep having the opportunity to make DC a state (two free senators and 2-3 free house reps!) and not doing it. Again, this is not a decision Republicans are forcing them to make.

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          Harris and Clinton lost because not enough Americans voted for them and being women and in Harris’s case being black and Indian was a reason for a lot of people not to vote.

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              Clinton won the popular vote . Thr problem is your trashy two party system that americans never tried to change for over a century.

              Instead of crying about the past, you should fight for a better future

              Clinton support all the american wars by the way

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                your trashy two party system that americans never tried to change

                They’ve tried to change it repeatedly. Everyone from Ralph Nader to Ross Perot to George Wallace to Eugene Debbs have lead caucuses to try to change it.

                Instead of crying about the past

                Those who ignore the past…

                But then you’ve got folks who really do believe the problem with the Democratic Party is that they try to win women’s votes at all. All to often, I see the complaint aimed at the two-party system that it’s one party too many.

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                It is being held up as an excuse within the liberal party to keep women down. The message the party leadership wants to send is that they ran a flawless campaign and the voters failed them.

                Always and forever, folks like Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries want you to believe they need to embrace fascism in order to win elections. Had Harris or Clinton won, we’d have been told they were only victorious because they campaigned to the right of their progressive base. Now that they’ve lost, they get to argue the need to purge feminists from the party if they want another chance at the majority.