A draft emergency executive order to declare a national emergency to allow President Donald Trump to take unprecedented control over voting is being circulated by anti-voting activists who said they are in coordination with the White House.
Voting rights experts, democracy advocates, and at least one state election chief said Trump doesn’t have the authority to claim such powers — and any attempt would be blatantly unconstitutional.
The draft order — which is said to be based on a conspiracy theory that China interfered with the 2020 election — would allow Trump to unilaterally ban mail-in ballots and voting machines on the basis that they are susceptible to foreign interference.
The order comes from MAGA activists who have been coordinating with the White House. One of the advocates for the order is Peter Ticktin, the attorney for Tina Peters, the former GOP Colorado county clerk who is currently serving a nine-year state prison sentence for her role in a 2021 voting system breach, in an attempt to find voter fraud based on election conspiracies.
The Elections Clause of the U.S. Constitution explicitly gives states — not the president — sole authority over elections.
Because “blatantly illegal” has been such a stopping force so far.
as long as there are no checks and balances, as long as no one exists with the will and sense of duty to do their job, there is no distinction between legal and illegal.
You mean the same system that protects us from the corpotocracy that rape and eats out babies? I’m sure they’ll get it eight this time…
And who the fuck is going to stop him? He’s been doing shit that’s unconstitutional this whole time. He’s going to rig the election and have a third term, and all our politicians will do is write strongly worded letters.
Until people like you are thinking “It’s gonna have to be me” then the situation will not likely improve.
That wasnt very specific. :(
Do you mean “it’s gonna have to be me” like that guy who tried to sneak into Mara a Lago and was shot by the secret service? Or maybe that guy who missed his shot?
Or do you mean that me specifically is going to have to rally people in my neighborhood, then my city, my state, and then most of the country to physically resist and arrest our leaders and have them stand trial for their crimes while having the bravery to leave your wife and kids behind to potentially die trying seems a little beyond my scope to be honest.
Well, I think you’re saying those are things that you can’t do. And thats fine, but a lot if poeple need to take ownership of what they can do and figure out how to cooperate appropriately to get some things done.
New leaders need to emerge thats true, but they will need support as well in various ways.
But all those people will all have to take ownership for making this stop and figure out how to fight back.
I get safety/security is a concern, but things are in a circumstance now where you will probably get fucked either way.
As long as everyone keeps waiting for someone else to do something real, youre all screwed.
Adolf Schmitler doesn’t have the stomach for bold collective action, who would’a guessed.
A bit off the mark there orioler25, what do you suggest we do?
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My joke was directed at this account’s name, as it references Adolf Hitler, who was a fascist you see.
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Anyone who can read for chuds can see that you purposely constructed action in a discouraging way by positioning only inaction or dependency on the state and complete sacrifice of life and family as the only options.
Go look up what people who have fought the United States for centuries have done Community action through mutual aid, protest, legal contest, property destruction, and violence have all been applied at different times in different ways to different severities and successes. Stfu about having to get up off your ass and risk anything.
What tf are you even saying? Go learn history lol? Keep spouting random bullshit online to make yourself feel good instead or suggesting actual courses of action. Fuckin loser.
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The draft order […] would allow Trump to unilaterally ban mail-in ballots and voting machines
The fucking headline even said it was illegal. It wouldn’t “allow” him to do shit.
It would be him CLAIMING he has some power that he doesn’t have. And EACH AND EVERY STATE needs to just fucking ignore it, run their elections as they are the sole arbitrators of elections according the the constitution.
It’s not even a fucking presidential election. IT DOESNT TOUCH THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, and therefore EXECUTIVE orders are even more absurd.
You say this like the 100 prior absurd things that have happened shouldn’t have occurred because we have a stable, sane system with checks and balances; but we don’t. So people that are complicit, or scared, or both are complying with demands that are not technically enforceable. I could see this as one of those orders that red states would gladly comply with.
Oh, I know. I’m screaming into the wind here. Letting my frustration out at, well, everything.
Blue states would likely ignore it, but red states would happily accept their marching orders.
anti-voting activists
Fascists. Call them by their name.
Funny, because anti-voting activists seems to describe a good chunk of the db0 community these days.
Then again, maybe it’s more fitting than ironic after all.
Nani? Where did you read that? Feddit.org’s weekly zionazi newsletter?
This would be the end of a free USA. Real authoritarianism. The end. Fake elections from here on, just like Russia, Venezuela, etc. We are screwed if this happens. The fascists are winning.
Is this meant to be in character, or did you seriously only realize the USA was authoritarian when it started being mean to white people?
Authoritarianism is a spectrum. We are more authoritarian than ever.
That doesn’t mean we weren’t authoritarian before.
I have a feeling you knew all that and just wanted to fight CptOblivius, though.
“More authoritarian than ever.” Please, tell me how you argue for a measurable difference in the severity of authoritarianism between current day and early- to mid-nineteenth century US slave states. Is there, perhaps, a particular group effected that makes this more severe? Is it worse because white citizens are victimised now? Wasn’t authoritarian when they used Zyklon B as part of southern-border security in the twentieth century? Is it the technological difference? Do you even know how surveillant the US has been in the past?
So fucking obnoxious and sneering to suggest you know more about something without clearly ever fucking learning about it. Go on though, explain how the slave-state wasn’t as bad.
So you’ve confirmed your goal here is to get into a nasty fight with your (alleged) allies.
I’ll pass on the offer, but enjoy your day.
Alleged by whom?
Me.
Presumably you’re doing all this shit-stirring because you think the US is on the wrong path (i.e. oppressing people), so people who want to stop the oppression it’s doing are on your side. Even if you only care about certain people it’s oppressing, and they only care about certain people it’s oppressing, you both want to stop the oppression, yes?
Otherwise I guess you’re just an agitator with no real goal, which would be kinda funny if you’re just openly admitting to out of the blue.
jfc, you seriously have not talked to a single activist who isn’t white eh. No, privileged people who think the state is bad now because it effects them are not allies anymore than an incompetent individual in that state is an ally. There are countless examples of privileged people abandoning causes once they get theirs. You’re not an “ally” and your refusal to learn better is the antagonism, not correctly criticizing you for doing so.
What an immature and ignorant conception of “allyship.” “Hey pal, I just showed up to the effort and if you say I have any learning to do, you’re a piece of shit and actually detrimental to the work I just learned about.”
I won’t be reading any response you send.
It wasn’t necessary athoritarian previously. It was really following the will of the people of the time. Essentially white dudes voting in white dudes to protect their shitty interests. That is not where the majority of the population is now. Society has shifted beyond where the government is, that is why they are trying to control the voting process.
What about that time it used genocide against dozens of indigenous nations to expand, or became a police-slave-state that codified naturalized racism, or restricted voting access along race and gender until forced otherwise, or adopted an organised military to suppress unions, or spent decades intervening and invading countries that elected governments who said mean things about the US, or when it suppressed climate change knowledge for decades, or when it constructed a mass - surveillance apparatus over a century, or when it imprisoned the largest number of people anyone has on the planet to perpetuate forced labour based on that one time it was a police-slave-state? I didn’t even mention the Patriot Act or how they use nukes.
Again, are you meant to be the actual Cpt. Oblivious, or is it meant to be a dig on me like the joke is unclear. Above is more for the benefit of any chuds who may feel validated by your previous comment.
It wasn’t a dig. All those things you mentioned were not straight up authoritarianism, they were in part by the largest group voting group getting their way. That’s what the voters want. It was extremely shitty stuff and I never said it wasn’t. Just because these happened doesn’t mean it was because of authoritarianism. We slowly evolved getting better over time, but now we are regressing. And it will be extremely difficult to vote our way out of it, even when the majority of eligible voters want to. In no time in our Constitutional history has so much power been under one man.
Gee, I wonder if there’s a reason you were taught a construction of authoritarianism that applied to enemies of the US but not the brutal violence and control in the US itself. Andrew Jackson ignored the constitution and courts more than once, go find out why.
You Muppet.
Andrew Jackson did not have close to the backing from the supreme Court Trump has. They basically said if the president does it, it can not be wrong. Jackson ignored rulings, Trump doesn’t even have to do that. Trump controls the courts. We progressed to a degree even worse than Jackson.
You clearly haven’t read the thread. Explain how you – clearly not a victim of US genocide up to this point because you wouldn’t be so pompous if you were – would start to measure the “worseness” of genocide at one point or the other. Why was 4 million enslaved people better, why was genocide against dozens of indigenous nations better. Maybe they didn’t target the right people to bad enough? Andrew Jackson did it to allow settlers to murder and disposses The Seminole Nation.
You fucking Muppet.
If Trump successfully fixes this election…
A lot of Americans wouldn’t only tolerate Trump fixing the election, they’d support it. Celebrate it, even.
Much of the rest of America doesn’t fully appreciate the threat. Many are just oblivious, but others are complacently holding on to their faith in our legal and political institutions. They believe in our system, and they believe it will ultimately hold up against the threat of a fascist takeover. I hope they’re right, but I don’t share their conviction. I think our institutions are far more vulnerable than many of them realize. Frankly, I think they’re unwavering devotion borders on hubris.
And my concerns about the integrity of our system are not baseless. I have seen our systems tested multiple times over the past few decades, essentially my entire adult life, and I would say the resiliency of our system has been… mixed, at best.
The Elections Clause of the U.S. Constitution explicitly gives states — not the president — sole authority over elections.
For this very fucking reason.
The 6 corrupt Supreme Court justices have shown that waving a copy of the Constitution lightly over their rulings is close enough for them. They’ve made it very clear that states have no real authority over elections by forcing them to include Trump on their ballots after he clearly incited an insurrection.
Our laws and Constitution are meaningless with this Supreme Court.
waving a copy of the Constitution lightly over their rulings
The Constitution is as strong as the paper it’s written on.
As OP stated. SCOTUS is captured by a complicit majority that wants a right wing theocracy.
Makes one wonder how many more people will die before these psychopaths are finally stopped. Again.
Keep an eye out. My prediction is a terrorist attack around election time pinned on Iran, Trump declares a state of emergency and tries to take control of the election.
Americans will have to tear it all down. CNN, SCROTUS, all institutions where he’s installed syncophants-everything he has touched. Anything less will be enabling fascism.
So who intervenes when he physically tries to control the election processes in states? Who certifies the election results, JD Vance?
He can just claim any state election is fraudulent because they didn’t do what he said, reject the results in any state the gop didn’t win enough and argue the GOP reps can stay in power until an election happens the way he wants, all while claiming the gop definitely won a majority, with no proof. He will not admit to the loss of control of congress and will not leave the white house peacefully if he’s impeached.
Americans had better get ready for a violent transfer of power. MAGA will believe dems stole the election this time and they won’t sit by and let government function, Trump will still be president while all this happens and use that authority to incite insurrection against the constitution.
Who certifies the election results, JD Vance?
No. (de jure, at least, who knows what will actually happen in practice)
The law identifies the governor – or, in the case of Washington, D.C., the district’s mayor – as responsible for submitting certificates of ascertainment, unless otherwise specified by state laws or constitutions. In addition, a certificate that was revised as ordered by a state or federal court judgment before the meeting of electors supersedes all previous certificates.
The law clarifies that the vice president’s role in the counting of the electoral votes is “solely ministerial,” with no power to “determine, accept, reject, or otherwise adjudicate or resolve disputes over the proper list of electors, the validity of electors, or the votes of electors.”
That’s what the law says. But they can just say different and we’re in conflict. Even if the courts decide against Trump, there no way to actually enforce that judgement.
Many states have the power to maintain state guards. This is a military force that cannot be federalized.
All it takes is the guardsmen or the chain of command doing what Trump says. Laws don’t matter right now. What people choose to do does.
Unless the army says no there is no mechanism for stopping them. As you said laws don’t matter. I feel they already won.
If they choose to follow Trump, there isn’t, no. They have to convince people to refuse Trump’s orders if they’re illegal or when he has no authority. Re-committing to the system of government and the rules of the distribution of power is necessary. Its hearts and minds right now. Follow Trump or follow the Constitution and its founding doctrines. You can’t serve both because Trump and the GOP have abandoned the constitution already. They can’t coexist.
Well said, and a solid strategy. Hope it works.
“Anti-voting activists”. How absurd
The Enabling Act
It’s legal if no one has the balls to shut it down.
Didn’t I see some meme about how things end every 250 years??
Empires don’t fall by themselves. People burn them down.
If everyone in America is waiting for “somebody” to fix everything for them then there’s a good chance America is going to exceed that 250 year mark.
“A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within” ― Will Durant
At what point do we call it Gilead
probably right now if not a few years ago
