• RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    The guy was Mossad/Israeli CIA. His accomplice Maxwell was the daughter of an Israeli spy. He had a map of a fantasy country called “greater Israel” on his wall in his home. He was best friends with former Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak and let him live in one of his apartments. He called people “goyims,” which come to find out is an Israeli supremacist term to refer to non-Jewish people. The whole US government is compromised with blackmail by Israel and/or bribed by Israel via AIPAC so that the US funds their wars and attack our own people for speaking out against genocide. Only online media will tell you this while the entire billionaire-owned corporate media covers for Israel.

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      He called people “goyims,” which come to find out is an Israeli supremacist term to refer to non-Jewish people

      You need to lay off the conspiracy theories and go touch grass. “Goy” (plural goyim not goyims) is just the Hebrew/Yiddish term for non-jews (gentiles in English), it’s not “Israeli supremacist”.

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        And “boy” just means a young man. Except when it’s used as a racist epithet against black men.

        Almost as if context matters.

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        If you were even remotely honest you’d acknowledge that in yiddish its frequently used to mean someone stupid, not just a nonbeleiver. goyishe kopf means goy head, aka stupid.

        Theres a list of them in the wikipedia for goy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy search for the word “derogatory”.

        Saying its just means “non jewish” is like saying (pick your supremacist ethnic slur here) simply means “of a certain ethnicity and nothing more” . Its a pure BS propaganda answer. I for one am tired of supremacist propoganda in the world-- its poison and it needs to effing end. People who pursue it need to be put in their place. Enough is enough.

        Terms which categorically pit one group against another cause big problems. And people like yourself that deny any problem are also the problem.

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          17 days ago

          A bunch of Arabic schools are calling their students taliban. Obviously they’re islamofascist. Or maybe languages have words for things you poorly educated fuckwit.

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            Thats cute, fatcrab.

            So if “goy” (supremacist word) is just fine, then “taliban” (aka ‘seeker of knowledge’) is fine. Be consistent, FatCrab. Language is an agreement on a meaning, and for people to adopt your preferred pet meaning of a word, it has to be a logical, ethical, even handed use of the word. Or, you could just accept that words have conotations. Theres a reason the N word is hateful, as an equivalent example.

            While we’re at it, I dont like your term “Islamofascist”… seems like tying fascism to what billions of people beleive as a religion. But hey, I’ll allow it, if you allow us to start using “judeofascist”, or even better, “judeo-nazi”. Which do you prefer? Although we already have “zionist” which captures all that already. But native intuits have 10 words for snow, so zionists having many words for fascism is legit.

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              I would say using judeosupremacist or judeofascist is a fine way to describe Zionism. After all, yiddish newspapers in the 20s often compared it to “Hitlerism”. But that is unrelated to the fact that “goy” is itself a completely neutral word simply denoting non-Jewish. You trying to turn a common and mundane word into a secret word to mean some sort of Zionism is not just fucking stupid, it’s dangerous.

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                using the word “islamofascist” is also dangerous. Didnt stop you using it though. Maybe heed your own advice. I’m not muslim but I dont like to see that BS. And just because you personally feel “goy” is completely neutral doesnt mean it is.

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                  I…don’t think you are understanding the point of my example. It’s fine, but maybe let it roll around in your head a bit until something clicks.

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        You’re either jewish or it sounds like you need to lay on the conspiracy theories. You’re defending a group of people that fundamentally hate you.

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      All true. If you know all this, you must know that Israel and Russia have been very close when it suits them to be. It’s quite possible that Epstein had connections to lots of Russian powerful people.

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      Okay, but we’re talking about how Russia is bad right now. Can you stay on message? Or are you one of those Pro-Putin accounts?

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      16 days ago

      You seem the most gullible in the fact that you think he couldn’t have been both.

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    We’re not in the timeline to doubt anything, but Putin strikes me, a Russian living in Russia and closely following the politics at least of my own country, especially from the not-so-safe side, as someone who would not choose someone he can’t control and have in his grasp to run anything like this.

    Not to mention his paranoia, ego mania and the alleged financial skills that, again, allegedly let him win a lot of trust among the people de-facto making big decisions in Russia before he wriggled into presidency.

    I don’t doubt that Putin had dedicated financial managers at some point, it’s just hard to belive it could’ve been anyone like Epstein, i.e. someone outside Russia or even Moscow where Putin could blackmail and hurt them or at least first treaten them into obedience, even with the eventual murder somewhere outside Russia (Litvinenko poisioning).

    Not that nothing unexpected and hard-to-believe hasn’t been surfacing for a while already, though.

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      I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Putin has tried to keep as many of his eggs in different baskets as possible. Having Epstein manage a bit of his money would be pretty low risk if he’s got most of it in other ventures.

      For all the many public failures Putin has had over the past few years, he’s proved himself frustratingly resilient. He’s like some kind of nuclear powered cockroach.

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      Did Russian money pass through Epstein? Assuredly.

      Was he THE man who managed Putin’s vast fortune through Russia and the rest of the world? Assuredly not.

      “Epstein was President Vladimir Putin’s wealth manager and provided the same service for Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe,” the source claimed. PEOPLE has reached out to the Kremlin for comment.

      People magazine, you keep shooting your shots… maybe one day you’ll knock it out of the park.

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        Was he THE man who managed Putin’s vast fortune

        Would be very convenient if he was. Just completely change the narrative surrounding who the national news should be talking about for the next month

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      If Putin is no longer the leader of Russia, then having wealth outside of Russia is very useful. That can be because he had to flee or for his family. Obviously it has to be hidden, so the assets are not seized by other countries due to sanctions against Russia. So it has to have a financial manager, so sign necessary paperwork at least. Epstein can be easily blackmailed, making him easy to control. However he is certainly not the only one. Putin has the wealth of Russia, so stacking away some millions is pretty easy.

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        Your reasoning is solid, but you’re not a KGB agent with a financially challenged background and extreme paranoia with likely assortment of other psychological -pathies that shape your entire worldview.

        Also, Putin sure seems like someone who isn’t planning escape routes or anything - he’s burn everything and everyone around him, maybe even himself, if he had to give up power (which we’ve been witnessing for a while).

        Even if he had to flee Russia and rely on stashed wealth and secret locations and whatever, he would have probably used another framework, not some already well-known American citizen that does finances.

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    Pu doesn’t need Epstein to ‘hide his money offshore’. There are more than enough knowledgeable people in Russia who’ll teach any aspiring businessman to create LLCs that own each other in a circle, while the actual decision-maker is nowhere to be seen. Pu likes his confidants to be close to him, he wouldn’t hire some schmuck from the other side of the world for this, especially seeing as he himself was involved in money-hiding since his days in the KGB.

    An actual wealth holder for Pu is cellist Sergei Roldugin, his friend since Roldugin’s military service in 1977. Roldugin holds positions in multiple state-funded culture-related initiatives that Putin personally oversaw. He’s also a businessman, or rather a business owner, somehow having shares in private companies worth dozens of millions of bucks each. He’s been shown to own offshore companies that traded shares in state-owned companies and got loans without collateral and with small interest. Lithuanian government confirmed Roldugin’s offshore operations — as Lithuanian banks were involved in the transactions — and considers them to be money laundering. Roldugin is named in the Pandora Papers and other journalist investigations, is indirectly a suspect in state investigations in Panama and Switzerland, and is sanctioned since 2022 by the US, EU, and some other countries.

    Roldugin is also involved with the Rossiya bank, which is considered the personal ‘wallet’ for Putin’s friends, and which bank is separately sanctioned by the US since 2014 and the EU since 2022.

    The founder and owner of the largest share in the Rossiya bank is Yury Kovalchuk, who’s sanctioned by the US since 2014 for being Putin’s personal banker. Well, again, Putin knew him since early nineties, and they founded the Ozero cooperative together with Putin’s other friends, who all hold top positions in the government or business.

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      They’re just all the same class of assholes. I was explained by one dude years ago that they all went to the same “business” schools and are all very much on the same line. They were educated and socialized together, so of course they have their little clubs of horror eveywhere.

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        Are you saying that Epstein studied law in Leningrad State University, or do you mean training in the 401st KGB School or the Yuri Andropov Red Banner Institute (aka Academy of Foreign Intelligence)?

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          No not Putin, or Epstein, but the whole cohort of biznesmeni/bandity behind the scenes who took over in the 90s, sponsored by the US and the rest of the “Washington consensus” scheme. Joining the lizards. Same class of creeps worldwide, is what I’m saying. Giving them and their secret services (CIA, Mossad, KGB/FSB) any kind of special status/perversion/allure per country lines, I think, is an unproductive distraction, and it ends up feeding xenophobia, Russophobia, and in Israel’s case, *gasp" antisemitism. Sorry it’s a bit of a thought in process but yeah.

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    One of the many problems with collecting human intelligence is that sources will tell you just about anything true or not. Some of the stories in the Epstein files match this problem. This feels like one of them. Some critical reading is required.