When will it support GrapheneOS? I’m going to keep using last-gen used Pixels until another company comes up with an alternative.
This is a graphene problem.
Gos is not suitable until they leave the pixel series.
Written on my pixel 10 that I had Gos on. I never wanted a pixel just a good camera and locked down environment.
People want Grapheneos on insecure phones, made by OEMs with a poor history of security patches, with an unlocked bootloader, and root. I personally say those people should use LineageOS because fundamentally that’s not GrapheneOS is. The second you water it down from software that can’t be hacked by any state actor to just another OS but marginally more secure the name becomes just another brand.
Im gonna be honest I don’t see how that would help if anything it would only make things more confusing. That would require the GrapheneOS devs to maintain a separate and significantly less secure OS for what reason?
I was about to say the same thing!
I’m coming at the same desire from the other end, using my fairphone until I can jump ship for graphene.
Phone makers need to understand that a missing headphone jack is a dealbreaker.
Tho it wouldn’t be if companies would at least put two usb ports on the devices. I’d be fine using usb wired earbuds as long as I don’t have to give my phone one of those dumb splitter tails.
is a dealbreaker.
*for you
Please. Like 5 people still use headphone jacks
Bluetooth is great
No, bluetooth is not great. Just because you don’t use something doesn’t mean other people are like you.
It only is for a very small segment
It makes no sense to say it’s for a very small segment when we weren’t given the choice in the first place.
… what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. If you were to ask all smart phone users about the jack, most people wouldn’t care much, ergo: only a small segment cares.
That doesn’t change just because of how the jack was phased out.
That’s just how things evolve
Prove it.
People are still buying them.
If they’re a “deal breaker” then phones would not be selling.
It’s not a deal breaker, it’s just a major pain in the ass, and my next phone will absofuckinglutely have a headphone jack.
I would say it’s a pretty big annoyance but not a deal breaker to me. USB-C to 3.5 dongles are cheap and not that annoying if you get a flexible one
The USB C charging ports on my phones tend to become unreliable over time. It’s manageable for charging as you can not move the phone once it’s plugged in, but listening to music on the go becomes impossible.
I have two, they are flexible, and I find them obnoxious to have to use. I specifically chose my current phone because it has a headphone jack, and I won’t make the mistake of missing that again.
I’m posting with one. I like it so far. waiting for the official lineageOS to be released, I’m running unofficial now.
Why not use /e/?
I’m just really used to lineage, I’ve used it for years on a lot of phones.
I have that one. /e is fine for me. Can’t think of a bother other than I had to delete that MicroG shit making calls home. Had to hack phone to remove it but it’s easy so…
Did they already bring back the 3.5mm jack? o.O
Looks like not, which immediately ruins the phone
I just got my ancient iPod classic out. Works perfectly, has jack, no tracking, no stupid ads, just my music whenever the fuck I want. I never thought it would be such a treasure in 2026.
I don’t really see why it’s such a dealbreaker for so many. Hardly any phones have 3.5mm, and for those that don’t, you can just put a dongle on the end of your existing wired headphones.
Because it’s ubiquitous, allows headphones without needing charged, and allows movement around the jack as opposed to the USB c port.
It’s a great design and the best part is that if it’s included it doesn’t preclude anyone from using Bluetooth headphones if they so choose.
Hardly any phones have 3.5mm NOW. Google started this shit, and I do not forgive. I do not forget.
However, there is simply no reason why the manufacturers SHOULDN’T put a second USB port down there, since it would allow for dongle-less use of wired headphones, listening while charging, open up many more niche uses for the hardware, AND it would provide a redundancy for what is, in most cases, the only method of charging and accessing the data on the device
*Apple started this shit, Google laughed at them. Initially, that is.
Fair enough. I literally do not even mentally consider apple to be a smartphone producer, because the market for apple is “I want a brick that is a slightly smaller status symbol than the last $1000+ brick I paid you for”, while android was a market with competition, open-source development, and hardware selection. When apple removed the headphone jack for a proprietary port, I saw it as just more of apple requiring you to pay $100 for another proprietary cord that would fall apart in 3 months. I remember when google decided to remove the headphone jack, and at that point, I knew that everyone else would follow. that is what I do not forgive. It also happened to occur around the point at which I first read cloud atlas and snow crash, and began to clearly perceive what was coming for our world, so that is one of the primary acts I remember as defining the enshittification of the world of personal computing, as the true death knell of backwards compatibility and flexibility, in favour of a smartphone just being a Propaganda Brick™
I’ve been using a dongle with my phone for almost two years. Now, every time I charge it, I have to find a “sweet spot” where it actually works and be careful not to move the cable around or it’ll stop charging.
Exactly this. All of those adapters from USB-c to 3.5 are ass no matter how many people try to say to just use them.
Give me a thicker, heavier phone if you have to, just give me the damn headphone jack.
Have you tried cleaning the plug? I find this happens a lot with debris etc.
With a fairphone you could replace it for 15 bucks
But with a good phone they wouldn’t need to
A USB-C dongle requires you to first insert the dongle and then insert the headphones. Otherwise, the phone doesn’t register them.
It is a dealbreaker for me because I hate having to worry about batteries everywhere. I had some in my helmet, and the thing kept interrupting my music because it had to tell me the batteries were low. The entire trip, every damn minute.
Fuck that shit, I already have a battery, it is right in my phone.
And I am not going to spend more than 20€ on headphones either when you can get wired literally for free.
USB C headphones are not a solution unless the device has at least two USB C ports but they can’t be bothered to do that either. Bluetooth headphones have to be charged, are more expensive, and are more fragile so they are also not a solution.
Yeah, I think we’re past that point now. I know the Clicks Communicator has a 3.5mm jack but I really don’t see why. If anyone is thinking about fitting an extra port on their phone I’d sooner see a second USB-C jack.
Agreed.
If only… I considered the Fairphone 6, but the missing jack port was a deal-breaker for me. Went with a midrange Motorola instead.
No jack? Send it back.
This fixation on jack truly weirds me out. It’s not a good connector, at all, I am actually happy we finally got rid of it. I always had to plug it with something so it doesn’t accumulate all the dust and dirt.
I don’t miss people asking me why they can’t plug in headphones and I check and theres like a ball bearing or some other stupid shit in there.
people these days love their shitty bt earbuds anyway
people these days love their shitty bt earbuds anyway
Just like they loved shitty wired phones before
kids these days won’t understand having to have their headphone plugs rotated and tilted just right then wrapped to hold it for the sound to work… and back then we bought them ourselves for like 9 bucks
Good thing those headphones are basically free now.
I can get over 200 of them for the price of one wireless headphones.
Fuck I hated it so so much
Sure, but then you should be pushing for two USB ports per phone, right? Because Bluetooth headphones are shit for both batteries, and a single-port phone requires, at minimum, a weird dongle to charge and listen at the same time, creating a single, cumbersome point of failure for the only extant jack.
Personally, I don’t want another USB port, like, I would be actively against it. I wouldn’t use it ever, it will be collecting dust and be a potential point of break, it will ultimately bulk up the phone which is big enough already. Meanwhile, good splitter/hub/dongle costs nothing compared to all other phone expenses, and will do the same and only be used when needed.
I’d be down for multiple usb ports. I’ve thought about making a custom case to integrate a charge passthrough hub before but it always ends up in the stalled projects pile.
That sounds super fun and useful!
Curious, what headphones do you use?
Because it beats having to use another adapter, or not being able to charge and listen at the same time. And personally I’m not a fan of having to expose the charging port to more wear and tear than needed.
Does it have more than one usb port, so that you can simultaneously charge and listen to wired headphones without a ridiculous dongle? If not, then I’ll take the jack, thanks. I don’t want to have to keep ANOTHER device charged just so that I can have the privilege of using one of the basic functionalities for which smartphone were originally designed, nor should I have to choose between listening and charging. It’s that simple.
E: FURTHERMORE, not only does a Bluetooth connection require battery-based headphones which quickly lose power when connected, but it ALSO drains the phone’s battery even faster.
In modern phones, BT connection takes so little energy, it’s basically margins anyway, you’ll never get another day of charge by disabling it, so it doesn’t matter anyway, you will have to charge it in the evening anyway. It’s only a consideration for an super specific situations that majority of people wouldn’t find themselves ever. Modern phones (ones without jack) can’t not have good enough batteries so it really really doesn’t matter.
And that’s why I’m weirded out by how many people have this specific situation when they have to have wired headphones, but then refuse to have it so there is slightly more plastic at the end of those wires, for times when they just have to have a phone charging while they listen to music. I truly cannot understand why this specific contrived scenario is so important.
Does the USB C truly not address this issue? That’s what head phones have now.
It would, if there were more than one port, allowing you to simultaneously charge and use the headphone jack without a fucking dongle.
I guess one good thing is there might be modular replacements if the jack get fucked while using it. Not sure though. I have not replaced anything yet.
Yeah, it does. At 20 times the cost.
I would legit pay Fairphone extra at this stage if they would ship to Canada, either at my home or at a pickup location like Staples, Canada Post, or Purolator.
Agreed. I’m honestly a bit surprised they haven’t moved into the Canadian market. Heck, I heard that their international insurance ppl let you buy them in the USA, home of Google Fascists, but you still can’t buy them in Canada, a country that’s had a significant trend to decouple from US tech for over a year now.
Ok, I’m new to looking at replacing my phone with something that doesn’t run Google or Apple.
Is there an OS I can use which is a. FOSS, b. European, and c. runs banking apps. Because I basically don’t take a wallet anywhere anymore, just my phone. Sure, there are occassions when I take a slimline wallet with a couple of cards, but quite often if I’m making a significant puchase I need my phone to TFA it.
I don’t care about cameras or headphone jacks that much. I do care about being able to buy shit.
/e/OS runs banking apps and wallet apps.
https://community.e.foundation/t/list-banking-apps-on-e-os/33091My comment about LineageOS and /e/OS security:
https://piefed.social/post/1741494#comment_9999461Hmm, I do use Starling in the UK which seems like it’s worked in the past but doesn’t now.
Got mine yesterday!
