I wasn’t commenting on your grammar but on lack of sense in what you wrote.
I’ve seen this silly argument before. People keep equating digital ID with oppression because in some cases the system was abused. They read somewhere that digital IDs are bad and are unable to understand what they really are how they can function.
Here’s facts: many countries with fairly healthy democratic systems have been using digital IDs for years if not decades with 0 issues. Spain, Poland, Estonia… It’s just another ID. It’s not required anywhere, it’s not mandatory.
Other countries, like UK, require identification online without digital IDs. China was blocking, censoring and monitoring internet traffic without digital IDs. It’s almost as if those two things are unrelated.
You know what else the governments use to track citizens? Banking systems! OMG! We should get rid of credit cards and wire transfer. If we let people use those government will surely force everyone to use them and good night freedom!
Or maybe it’s just another tool that function without issues as long as citizens control their government? Maybe the issue are broken political system, not digitization?
I wasn’t commenting on your grammar but on lack of sense in what you wrote.
ironic.
I’ve seen this silly argument before. People keep equating digital ID with oppression because in some cases the system was abused. They read somewhere that digital IDs are bad and are unable to understand what they really are how they can function.
its almost like there are people who know more about modern oppression than you do? not all of use want to pretend that the old neoliberal world order is still running as it should, fascism, authoritarianism, and techno feudalism are all on the rise. there are literal concentration camps in the US, who is also pouring hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars into AI weapons and surveillance tech, and they arent the only governments doing so, ignoring that makes you sound like the most frustrating characters in the critically acclaimed major motion picture “dont look up”
Here’s facts: many countries with fairly healthy democratic systems have been using digital IDs for years if not decades with 0 issues. Spain, Poland, Estonia… It’s just another ID. It’s not required anywhere, it’s not mandatory.
do you really not understand what kind of digital ID we are talking about? and the risks that come with it? ive told you several times. and you keep misunderstanding it, or ignoring it, seemingly on purpose? im about to just tell you to “google it” at this point, because this feels almost spitefully ignorant of my points. presuming you actually read and comprehended them.
Other countries, like UK, require identification online without digital IDs.
Photo ID (passport or driver’s licence) with a matching selfie.
-Facial age estimation via AI (supposedly without permanently storing the image)
-Credit-card confirmation
Confirmation using online banking
this is a form of digital identification. so it would be considered digital ID by your own definition, as well as mine. because digital ID at the end of the day is just something that proves you are you to whoever wants to see the data you create or interact with. but having a one size fits all digital ID that connects all of your official information under one roof is like putting all your eggs in one basket and leaving it out for several billion foxes (bots/hackers) to eat (scrape/steal/sell/abuse) which again, is becoming a more popular form of potential iterations of mandatory digital ID presented by some government officials as new policies in both the east and west hemispheres.
You know what else the governments use to track citizens? Banking systems! OMG! We should get rid of credit cards and wire transfer. If we let people use those government will surely force everyone to use them and good night freedom!
NOW WE’RE TALKIN THE TALK, BROTHER, NOW WE ARE GETTING TO THE ROOT OF IT ALL. PRAISE BE! HE FINALLY SPEAKS A LICK OF SENSE! happy to see your time on lemmy is wearing away at your ideals about the bullshit farce that is the banking system, and money in general. PROUD. OF. YOU.
yes, we should absolutely dismantle the modern banking system. as it is quite literally responsible for virtually all human suffering in modern times. and is perpetuating the eventual economic and ecological collapse that will kill millions, billions, and then virtually all of humanity. save a few immortal billionaires and maybe a trillionaire or two? and their harems of genetically modified forever children that they can rape and rape and rape, and eat, and rape, and torture, and kill, and clone, and rape and rape, until the end of time! maybe they might go to space and rape alien children and eat their dismembered limbs too? who knows! we’ll all be dead so it wont matter :D
and thats the happy ending for humanity if we dont dismantle the banking system. or the system in general.
good on you for seeing through the facade.
im not being sarcastic. i do 100% agree that we should destroy the modern banking system. and replace it with something backed by something real, and tangible. equitably distributed to all humans. or maybe just forget about any form of currency all together? but thats the utopian dreamer in me. all i know is, this shit isnt working for the average person.
Or maybe it’s just another tool that functions without issues as long as citizens control their government?
see, we arent so different, you and i. i agree whole heartedly. we the people should always control our governments. but it becomes difficult when they track everything we do with a greater variety of tools and resources day after day. and their enforcers get access to whatever information they need to uphold their laws. moral. or not.
Maybe the issue are broken political system, not digitization?
THATS ANOTHER BINGO. CORRECT. CORRECT.
technology is only dangerous in the hands of people who would use it to do harm. a rock is a rock until someone hits you over the head with it. a digital ID is just your name, age, date of birth, location, biometrics, connected to your banking information, and any and all online services and profiles that require it, and the data transferred between the user and those various services, time stamped, forever. thats it, thats all, until a leak happens, your identity gets stolen, you get blackmailed, tracked by bad actors, profiled by palantir as a resistance member or domestic terrorist because of a meme you posted three years ago, seemingly anonymously. but bow your ID is linked to your device, and that device was responsible for posting it… so…whoops. its not like they arent already doing this to people in the united states? its not like ICE and the US government is going after activists who post anti trump rhetoric online already, are they? ( they are, one of my favourite activists just got a notice that he and his group are under investigation)
there are infinite ways for data to be used, and abused, depending on who is in power, politically, or financially. does it all require official, government mandated digital ID? no. but does it make their job easier? sure does.
can we trust modern politicians, governments, and corporations with our data?
as a person who self hosts everything they possibly can, with a vpn, and an ecrypted arch linux desktop, who has spent an ungodly amount of time hyper fixating on issues like the one we are discussing, to say the very least. and whos read at least a few books on cyber security, fascism, authoritarianism, and recently, a small portion of the epstein files…
i think its better to be safe, than sorry.
ill avoid it, you dont have to. it is your choice. but id suggest making sure you know who holds the leash before you put on a new collar.
if it comes to your country, or already is in some minor form. just keep yourself updated on exactly what it entails and how it can be used or abused. and act accordingly. your mind is the last earthbound frontier to be fully commodified, and in order for them to do that, they need your attention, obediance, and information. every scrap of it. even if it kills you in the process. data is data.
thats all i got for you man, no hate. this was cathartic for me. thank you for the opportunity to write this all out. if you want to continue, i dont mind, but itll be sometime tomorrow before id respond.
I wasn’t commenting on your grammar but on lack of sense in what you wrote.
I’ve seen this silly argument before. People keep equating digital ID with oppression because in some cases the system was abused. They read somewhere that digital IDs are bad and are unable to understand what they really are how they can function.
Here’s facts: many countries with fairly healthy democratic systems have been using digital IDs for years if not decades with 0 issues. Spain, Poland, Estonia… It’s just another ID. It’s not required anywhere, it’s not mandatory.
Other countries, like UK, require identification online without digital IDs. China was blocking, censoring and monitoring internet traffic without digital IDs. It’s almost as if those two things are unrelated.
You know what else the governments use to track citizens? Banking systems! OMG! We should get rid of credit cards and wire transfer. If we let people use those government will surely force everyone to use them and good night freedom!
Or maybe it’s just another tool that function without issues as long as citizens control their government? Maybe the issue are broken political system, not digitization?
ironic.
its almost like there are people who know more about modern oppression than you do? not all of use want to pretend that the old neoliberal world order is still running as it should, fascism, authoritarianism, and techno feudalism are all on the rise. there are literal concentration camps in the US, who is also pouring hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars into AI weapons and surveillance tech, and they arent the only governments doing so, ignoring that makes you sound like the most frustrating characters in the critically acclaimed major motion picture “dont look up”
do you really not understand what kind of digital ID we are talking about? and the risks that come with it? ive told you several times. and you keep misunderstanding it, or ignoring it, seemingly on purpose? im about to just tell you to “google it” at this point, because this feels almost spitefully ignorant of my points. presuming you actually read and comprehended them.
this is a form of digital identification. so it would be considered digital ID by your own definition, as well as mine. because digital ID at the end of the day is just something that proves you are you to whoever wants to see the data you create or interact with. but having a one size fits all digital ID that connects all of your official information under one roof is like putting all your eggs in one basket and leaving it out for several billion foxes (bots/hackers) to eat (scrape/steal/sell/abuse) which again, is becoming a more popular form of potential iterations of mandatory digital ID presented by some government officials as new policies in both the east and west hemispheres.
NOW WE’RE TALKIN THE TALK, BROTHER, NOW WE ARE GETTING TO THE ROOT OF IT ALL. PRAISE BE! HE FINALLY SPEAKS A LICK OF SENSE! happy to see your time on lemmy is wearing away at your ideals about the bullshit farce that is the banking system, and money in general. PROUD. OF. YOU.
yes, we should absolutely dismantle the modern banking system. as it is quite literally responsible for virtually all human suffering in modern times. and is perpetuating the eventual economic and ecological collapse that will kill millions, billions, and then virtually all of humanity. save a few immortal billionaires and maybe a trillionaire or two? and their harems of genetically modified forever children that they can rape and rape and rape, and eat, and rape, and torture, and kill, and clone, and rape and rape, until the end of time! maybe they might go to space and rape alien children and eat their dismembered limbs too? who knows! we’ll all be dead so it wont matter :D
and thats the happy ending for humanity if we dont dismantle the banking system. or the system in general.
good on you for seeing through the facade.
im not being sarcastic. i do 100% agree that we should destroy the modern banking system. and replace it with something backed by something real, and tangible. equitably distributed to all humans. or maybe just forget about any form of currency all together? but thats the utopian dreamer in me. all i know is, this shit isnt working for the average person.
see, we arent so different, you and i. i agree whole heartedly. we the people should always control our governments. but it becomes difficult when they track everything we do with a greater variety of tools and resources day after day. and their enforcers get access to whatever information they need to uphold their laws. moral. or not.
THATS ANOTHER BINGO. CORRECT. CORRECT.
technology is only dangerous in the hands of people who would use it to do harm. a rock is a rock until someone hits you over the head with it. a digital ID is just your name, age, date of birth, location, biometrics, connected to your banking information, and any and all online services and profiles that require it, and the data transferred between the user and those various services, time stamped, forever. thats it, thats all, until a leak happens, your identity gets stolen, you get blackmailed, tracked by bad actors, profiled by palantir as a resistance member or domestic terrorist because of a meme you posted three years ago, seemingly anonymously. but bow your ID is linked to your device, and that device was responsible for posting it… so…whoops. its not like they arent already doing this to people in the united states? its not like ICE and the US government is going after activists who post anti trump rhetoric online already, are they? ( they are, one of my favourite activists just got a notice that he and his group are under investigation)
there are infinite ways for data to be used, and abused, depending on who is in power, politically, or financially. does it all require official, government mandated digital ID? no. but does it make their job easier? sure does.
can we trust modern politicians, governments, and corporations with our data?
as a person who self hosts everything they possibly can, with a vpn, and an ecrypted arch linux desktop, who has spent an ungodly amount of time hyper fixating on issues like the one we are discussing, to say the very least. and whos read at least a few books on cyber security, fascism, authoritarianism, and recently, a small portion of the epstein files…
i think its better to be safe, than sorry.
ill avoid it, you dont have to. it is your choice. but id suggest making sure you know who holds the leash before you put on a new collar.
if it comes to your country, or already is in some minor form. just keep yourself updated on exactly what it entails and how it can be used or abused. and act accordingly. your mind is the last earthbound frontier to be fully commodified, and in order for them to do that, they need your attention, obediance, and information. every scrap of it. even if it kills you in the process. data is data.
thats all i got for you man, no hate. this was cathartic for me. thank you for the opportunity to write this all out. if you want to continue, i dont mind, but itll be sometime tomorrow before id respond.
have a good one dude. stay safe.