The US was never really a democracy. It’s an oligarchy.
No, you aren’t, and haven’t been for my entire fucking life.
Um… no
Was really hoping he would realize he’s old as fuck and just go full out calling for violent revolution. There is still time.
“No.” Responds everyone that tired of stupid fucking question like this- in place of actual action.
Shit or get off the pot- ALL OF YOU.
This is what did it for you, Bernie? Not the Princeton research? Not the genocides? Not the decades of unauthorized wars? Not the 100-mile zone? Not the “enemy combatant” designation? Not free speech zones? Not the WikiLeaks revelations? Not the Snowden revelations? Not the disaster capitalism? Not the commitment to invade The Hague if ever brought up on charges?
A $10M donation did it? That’s what makes you wonder?
I mean, for decades every time shit like this happens he makes the same or a similar statement. He’s been constant with his messaging.
Bernie fully understands. He’s giving speeches to try to wake people the fuck up. He’s just trying different angles with the hope that something sticks for enough stupid Americans.
It’s not a question asked in good faith. It’s a bad actor stirring shit just as they did during the election
If you’re asking this stupid fucking question you’re already too late. These people live on a different planet
Considering the op, it is a q asked in bad faith
Actshually the question is asked by Sanders.
Of course it’s clearly some kind of rhetorical question.
How does a rhetorical question help your statement? How does a rhetorical q asked in bad faith make anything better?
What are you really getting at?
Just to be sure that we are on the same page:
- we have op (return2ozma) posting a news article.
- the title of the post is the title of the article, which is pretty good practice when relaying a news article on social media.
- the title of the post quotes a question asked by B. Sanders.
- what you know of op makesyou claim that he asks the question in bad faith.
- I remark op isn’t the one asking the question.
- I add that it’s a rhetorical question.
Now to answer your last comment, what I was getting at with my second point, and which is maybe not that all pertinent in hindsight, is that it’s kind of hard to make out from a rhetorical question alone what the author ‘s stance might actually be exactly. Maybe Sanders thinks that the extent of Musk’s donations might suggest the US not being a true democracy, maybe he thinks that this is in contradiction with an otherwise healthy democracy, maybe he thinks there’s nothing democratic about the current US political system ; or any shade between these. All in all, the conclusion is left to the reader.
In light of all this, the fact that op could be a bad actor is not very pertinent : it’s not his words, and even if it was, the nature of the question and its effect on the reader is quite open ended and IMO not as manipulative as « bad faith » would imply.
Edit: the important point being that op is not the author of the question. The rhetorical question remark was first and foremost there to point it out in case you missed it.
To be on the same page look at comments of OP. Bad faith takes a lot of faith on your end. So in the end you’re sticking out your neck for a commenter who basically says the left half of the country is GeNoCiDaL for Fox News… all while the right half upvotes.
Yeah whatever… I scrolled through both your and his comments… (some of it - I’d take your word that I missed out the juicy bits, but it would help if you explained in clear language what I should be looking for)
So yeah, I’m not really sure what you’re on about. Sure, there seems to be some dubious (IMHO) takes here and there from both of you. Then again, I’m sure I could find some of my own comments to be rather dubious when taking them out of context.
Besides, if I may offer some advice, combining a very adversarial posture, altcaps as a cheap way to pastiche op, and an inability to clearly communicate what your grief with op is in the first place really doesn’t help make your point.
Now, in the light of what little I’ve seen of your comments, I’m guessing op has been advocating abstaining in your last presidential election due to the ongoing US-supported genocide in Palestine. I understand you are pissed off about that, I fail to see how going on a witch hunt after the fact, badmouthing op on every comment in a post that has nothing to do with that issue is achieving anything. Especially when the post is just some rather mild news article with no commentary from OP himself. Especially when you make it really hard to understand what you are on about.
This infighting between you non-MAGA Americans, while fascism is sweeping through your country, is quite ridiculous at this point. You’ll have plenty of opportunities to settle the scores if you succeed in getting out of this mess, and in the meanwhile, we all have much bigger problems to worry about than who did what in 2024.
I’m not really sticking out my neck for op, I frankly don’t care. I’m sticking it out to keep lemmy a place for sane and constructive exchanges and discussions.
The infighting between non magas is exactly what I’m talking about and directly led to Trump v 2.
A direct line can be drawn between their rhetoric and the current situation. No score to settle, just the obvious to point out.
Vivian Wilson should run for city council just to watch her father squirm
Short answer: No.
Ozma responds!… “since sanders is a rabid conservative only voting 99 times out of 100 for liberal stuff… thus not really liberal… he’s not enough! he is proof libs are the same as rush Limbaugh!
Meanwhile Sanders congresses and votes with the dem party…
Are we not living in a democracy! No! And it’s Biden’s fault! Trump is a foot note and the real problem is Obama! The issue is democrats!
Can’t you see? Every democrat is the problem! It’s not a matter of voting more liberal, liberals are the issue! It’s not a matter of voting hard core liberal either! There’s no such thing unless I say so! Just look at OP for the past few years…
