Halfway through he describes this as malicious compliance with the “right to repair” law. Apple and others are making a mockery of the law.
Me and my 11 year old just changed the rear shocks on my car, 18mm socket and wrench, 45 minutes of time. I’ll never buy a vehicle with these types of paywalls.
Doing some major repairs to my 25 year old vehicle today also. New shit is junk.
Welcome to the future, you will own nothing and be happy about it.
it’s a matter if time until they make Linux for cars.
They already do.
They lock the parking brake behind a paywall on the scanner, so you have to pay a subscription fee. Chrysler has the parking brake service mode on the vehicle for users. VAG, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, GM etc all do it. It just make servicing more expensive for consumers, because the cost all gets passed down.
It is and it isn’t. To use the onboard control to actuate the parking brake, yes, you have to use the paywalled software. But it’s a simple motor. Positive and negative. If you disconnect the connector at the parking brake and use fused jumper leads to a 12v battery, you can cause the actuator to go forward or backwards. Make sure the parking brake isn’t applied before doing anything, disconnect the cars battery, disconnect the p brake connector, jump the terminals once you figure out which polarity causes the retraction. Manually compress the caliper piston, replace the pads (and hopefully the rotors too). Pump the brake pedal as you would normally once everything is replaced, reconnect everything, and you’re good to go. in my experience this doesn’t work on ford but there’s a service procedure that doesn’t use a scanner to force the park brake into service mode. There’s always a way around dumb stuff like this
you are on lemmy pointing media bias as novelty? next you are going to shock us by telling us Reddit is mostly bots and sad power crazed adminsps: this was intended as a joke for some other comment, I got mixed up… sorry OP
No…?
Is it possible to retrofit a used “computer” vehicle and remove all digital tech to make it electromechanical again, where the owner has complete control of what they purchased?
It’d be easier to simply hack the software and reprogram it to just act normal
Duck their software licenses. I buy a car, I pay for it, it’s MY car and I will very much decide how to use it
“All” digital tech?
I don’t think most people realize that any powertrain new enough to even have fuel injection is going to be a “computer vehicle” in some capacity. How are you with carburetors?
I’m great at carburetors. Especially the Holley 4 barrel carb. Trial and error made me good at it. I had the freedom to try. We no longer have that. So, yes, all digital tech. Just electromechanical so we can save huge amounts of dollars by not getting involved in the “repair industry”. Transmissions are a different beast but if all the “Chilton’s’” auto repair manuals have not been secreted away and completely destroyed then I at least have a fighting chance to figure it out.
Possible? Yes. Practical? No. You can’t just cut the harnesses out and suddenly it’s a different engine, you’d have to replace what you deleted with something and that something might not exist yet because there’s no money in developing it.
they dont charge those paywalls to dealers, this is just a way to force consumers to service their cars with expensive partners
Haltech ECU, but the BCM controls the other parts of the vrhicle like locks, windows, seats, radio etc it’s possible with a lot of work.
Yeah we definitely need open source vehicles/transportation initiatives for everything: trains, trams, hsr, cars, etc
It’s weird how many negative Hyundai news you get from the US, it’s almost like they are threatening all the established players in the market.
Meanwhile you barely hear about the toyota engine fuck ups or the fact that they being stolen en masse.
This isn’t a new thing. Almost every car that has an electrical park brake advises you to use software to change change out your rear brake pads, as when you release your Electric Park Brake (EPB), the EPB motor doesn’t wind back enough, to give you the space required to install new pads and/or rotors, it only winds back enough to release pressure off the piston pushing the pad, which this has been in production cars since 2001 (some cars have brake maintenance modes which can be activated without software, Mazda first comes to mind with this). This whole Hyundai/Kia deal reminds me of Volkswagen back when they were intoducting proprietary software for vehicle maintenance, which led to a guy getting mad and making his own software that does everything the factory software does for a fraction of the cost and arguably better (Rosstech/VCDS) which I feel will happen soon with Hyundai. But being mad just at just Hyundai for this is the wrong mindsent, almost every car manufacturer does this and for a long time, and needs to stop. Even for dealerships this is horrendous because it uses a always online software that if you live somewhere with bad internet or GPS connection, stops you from even just resetting the service interval, which as usual is explained as being a good thing for “safety reasons” by the manufacturer.
The new thing is that the user bought a professional scan tool and license and he still couldn’t do anything because he didn’t have a business license. Hyundai said the software was “not for DIYers”.
The other guy commenting is somewhat right, the user shouldn’t have bought this tool for DIY use, as most dealership software won’t work for DIY use because it is also a warranty tool, hence the need for a business license, the diagnostic software will record everything you do, upload a log file for the manufacturer to read to make sure they carry out the repairs correctly/services are inline with schedules, and they need that business license information so they know who to approve or deny a claim to. every manufacturer will have a software that does this and they shouldn’t be used for DIY use because it simply won’t work (unless there are cracked versions where people have remove that functionality, I believe there is software for Subaru and Toyota out there like this). There is other tools for the DIY use that are a fraction of the cost that does what you need, and most aren’t vehicle/brand specific, and good brands of OBD2 scanners will regularly pushout updates to cover more cars and more test functions over time. The issue mainly I see is manufacturers hide this information and unless you are well knowledged in the field or know a guy, the cheap and safe route is often so incredibly difficult to find and usually ends up in people confused and scared to work on their own cars, which sucks because the premise of all the hardware used in cars isn’t really that far from 50 years ago, software and 4-8km of wiring can scare people and the manufacturers want that because it scares people out of DIY fixes but still ticks the boxes of right to repair laws. (Sorry for the big comments, I can’t keep them small)
TL;DW; he bypasses the whole 2500 dollar software thing by using common sense that the caliper only has two wires in it so you just need to feed a positive and negative power line to it from a low voltage power source and it will extend or retract the electric caliper as needed.
While I agree with you that there’s an easy fix, it wouldn’t cost them anything to make holding the handbrake release switch enter maintenance mode.
Also, wait until they release a face lift with new some arbitrary signal to control it.
More up to date info here: https://hackaday.com/2025/11/15/hyundai-paywalls-brake-pad-changes/ You can do it with just a $300 bidirectional scan tool from Harbor Freight.
And the OOP responding about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5N/comments/1ojjp6m/comment/nonp97y/
