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dont associate autism with intellectual differences
Coming from a good place, but you don’t know what you’re talking about
There are absolutely differences, they just tend to even out on an overall IQ score. There’s a sleight positive correlation even, but that’s likely due to emotional intelligence not being measured on an IQ test and the very low ends of the IQ range may not ever get tested for autism.
But are you honestly telling people that autism isn’t correlated to better pattern recognition or anything else?
Like, there’s a myriad of ways you’re wrong here, but to insist that there are zero differences is just unbelievable. You can’t honestly believe that, do you?
I feel that you are being unfairly hostile to the person you responded to, while ignoring the content of what the initial commenter said and why the person you responded to pushed back on that.
I’m not disagreeing with you that there aren’t differences, but do you have autism or are you a mental health professional versed in or specialized in autism? If neither, I would like to respectfully ask that you refrain from commenting about the differences and distinctions of autism.
Our science and understanding of autism is still evolving steadily, and e.g. in regards to what you specifically stated about IQ scores, I don’t feel that they fully capture and measure intelligence in autistic individuals (wherever they are on the spectrum) for a variety of reasons.
but do you have autism or are you a mental health professional versed in or specialized in autism?
While there’s no way that you could have known that I have a degree in psychology and for years worked with special needs populations ranging from “passable” to “I was changing grown adults diapers”…
You literally just called me out for not having social graces and hyper fixating on a narrow aspect of a comment…
Autism is a spectrum, literally all of us are on it. That’s literally what a spectrum is in a psychological context. Everyone is “on the spectrum” that’s what makes it a spectrum.
I don’t feel that they fully capture and measure intelligence in autistic individuals
So…
You agree with me? Because I literally just said that…
But no test can “fully” measure anyone intelligence. It’s always going to be approximation that works for a majority of people.
I sat thru like 5 hours for a Wechsler, just to be told my overall wasn’t reliable because I was statistically insignificant. It was still valuable data because my lowest section scores were still quantifiable. But there’s no reason to have the basic test be able to fully measure everyone. If I cared enough I could take a more in depth test to find out.
But why the fuck didn’t you ask questions instead of all those assumptions you just made?
Why even reply to me like you’re going to trust what I say, when you could have looked up this stuff online waaaaaaay before I took the time to reply?
Autism is a spectrum, literally all of us are on it. That’s literally what a spectrum is in a psychological context. Everyone is “on the spectrum” that’s what makes it a spectrum.
I’m not going to claim that you don’t have the qualifications or experience you claim to have, but autism clearly isn’t your field of expertise. Autism isn’t called a spectrum because everybody is on it. It’s because it presents very differently in different people and there are a wide variety of traits only a few of which may be shared by any two autistic individuals.
The diagnostic criteria quite explicitly compare and contrast the traits of autistic people with the traits of allistic people, and the impairment is categorised by levels, 1, 2, or 3.
I was going to specifically argue this point to them, thank you.
Personally, I believe that everybody is neurodivergent and feel that the concept of anybody being neurotypical as having the potential of extreme harm. Difference is normal, but some people need extra help and support. That’s where diagnosis comes in, with very specific criteria and identification of support needs and impairment levels.
I believe that one can resonate with autistic traits validly and feel that is extremely desirable to accept and support, but I don’t believe that everybody is autistic, is on the autism spectrum, or identifies with autistic traits.
I believe that one can easily say they are “neurodivergent with autistic traits” or say that they have an “autistic neurotype” and that be seen as completely valid (with or without diagnosis). I believe the level of impairment is what speaks to the functional differences specifically found in autism, in addition to meeting the specific diagnostic criteria (which I feel is extremely accurate - as evidenced by many studies, meta-analyses, and so forth).
I’m pretty sure that 1-2% of people worldwide are recognized to have autism or are seen as being on the autism spectrum. “Level 0” does not exist in any diagnostic system; and clinically, if someone does not meet diagnostic criteria and are not functionally impaired in specific ways, that means they do not have autism.
Keyword being “clinically”. I believe in self-diagnosis or identifying with an autistic neurotype or autistic traits for a number of reasons. My intimate knowledge of the barriers to proper support and diagnosis being at the forefront of why I feel this way, but ultimately, it boils down to me not wishing to invalidate or reject anybody’s experience or gatekeep people resonating with the autistic neurotype or autistic traits. Everybody deserves help and support and to have validation, acceptance, and understanding directed to them.
I responded because you were being arguably hostile to the other commenter in tone throughout your response, and you’re being uncharitable and hostile to me here too, from my perspective. Maybe I’m too sensitive, but it doesn’t seem like civil behavior.
With respect to you, I can’t engage further in this conversation.
So you replied in the first place because you disliked my tone, but you were comfortable insulting me in your reply…
And when my tone didn’t change after you insulted me…
You replied again to insult me again and say you didn’t want to talk to me?
There is absolutely no logic in what you’re doing.
At any step you could have just not replied with insults, and none of this would be happening.
Why don’t you just block me? Because replying to police tone while simultaneously insulting someone isn’t going to be effective for me, and most likely not anyone else.
Seriously, in general saying:
I can’t engage further in this conversation
Is never ever ever going to be as effective at ending a conversation than deleting the reply instead of hitting “reply” and posting it
I did not insult you. Your tone does not read as friendly or anything close to it. I’m recognizing that I may be too sensitive here, so I’m refraining from reporting you.
Can you block me then since you want to be polite?
I know that’s a big ask because you can’t even stop replying. But this is not the first time youve responded to me talking to someone else to tell me I’m not polite. Then you immediately say you don’t want to “communicate” but never stop replying.
Which is pretty obviously trolling. I had you blocked for a while, so I don’t know how much you’ve been doing this. But the tab signed me out and the first comment was civil enough I took you off to reply.
So I think the best solution is we just block each other, right? You want to say you’re being polite, then do the polite thing and just ignore me instead of rehashing this again at some later date.
Nothing about my comments will change, so if you don’t like them. Take the very easy step to never see them again.
Unless your trolling, which is what saying “I don’t want to discuss me insulting you” and then continuing to reply over and over. Regardless, hopefully I don’t fuck up and think you’re worth takng off again.
Coming from a good place, but you don’t know what you’re talking about
There are absolutely differences, they just tend to even out on an overall IQ score. There’s a sleight positive correlation even, but that’s likely due to emotional intelligence not being measured on an IQ test and the very low ends of the IQ range may not ever get tested for autism.
But are you honestly telling people that autism isn’t correlated to better pattern recognition or anything else?
Like, there’s a myriad of ways you’re wrong here, but to insist that there are zero differences is just unbelievable. You can’t honestly believe that, do you?
I feel that you are being unfairly hostile to the person you responded to, while ignoring the content of what the initial commenter said and why the person you responded to pushed back on that.
I’m not disagreeing with you that there aren’t differences, but do you have autism or are you a mental health professional versed in or specialized in autism? If neither, I would like to respectfully ask that you refrain from commenting about the differences and distinctions of autism.
Our science and understanding of autism is still evolving steadily, and e.g. in regards to what you specifically stated about IQ scores, I don’t feel that they fully capture and measure intelligence in autistic individuals (wherever they are on the spectrum) for a variety of reasons.
While there’s no way that you could have known that I have a degree in psychology and for years worked with special needs populations ranging from “passable” to “I was changing grown adults diapers”…
You literally just called me out for not having social graces and hyper fixating on a narrow aspect of a comment…
Autism is a spectrum, literally all of us are on it. That’s literally what a spectrum is in a psychological context. Everyone is “on the spectrum” that’s what makes it a spectrum.
So…
You agree with me? Because I literally just said that…
But no test can “fully” measure anyone intelligence. It’s always going to be approximation that works for a majority of people.
I sat thru like 5 hours for a Wechsler, just to be told my overall wasn’t reliable because I was statistically insignificant. It was still valuable data because my lowest section scores were still quantifiable. But there’s no reason to have the basic test be able to fully measure everyone. If I cared enough I could take a more in depth test to find out.
But why the fuck didn’t you ask questions instead of all those assumptions you just made?
Why even reply to me like you’re going to trust what I say, when you could have looked up this stuff online waaaaaaay before I took the time to reply?
I’m not going to claim that you don’t have the qualifications or experience you claim to have, but autism clearly isn’t your field of expertise. Autism isn’t called a spectrum because everybody is on it. It’s because it presents very differently in different people and there are a wide variety of traits only a few of which may be shared by any two autistic individuals.
The diagnostic criteria quite explicitly compare and contrast the traits of autistic people with the traits of allistic people, and the impairment is categorised by levels, 1, 2, or 3.
I was going to specifically argue this point to them, thank you.
Personally, I believe that everybody is neurodivergent and feel that the concept of anybody being neurotypical as having the potential of extreme harm. Difference is normal, but some people need extra help and support. That’s where diagnosis comes in, with very specific criteria and identification of support needs and impairment levels.
I believe that one can resonate with autistic traits validly and feel that is extremely desirable to accept and support, but I don’t believe that everybody is autistic, is on the autism spectrum, or identifies with autistic traits.
I believe that one can easily say they are “neurodivergent with autistic traits” or say that they have an “autistic neurotype” and that be seen as completely valid (with or without diagnosis). I believe the level of impairment is what speaks to the functional differences specifically found in autism, in addition to meeting the specific diagnostic criteria (which I feel is extremely accurate - as evidenced by many studies, meta-analyses, and so forth).
I’m pretty sure that 1-2% of people worldwide are recognized to have autism or are seen as being on the autism spectrum. “Level 0” does not exist in any diagnostic system; and clinically, if someone does not meet diagnostic criteria and are not functionally impaired in specific ways, that means they do not have autism.
Keyword being “clinically”. I believe in self-diagnosis or identifying with an autistic neurotype or autistic traits for a number of reasons. My intimate knowledge of the barriers to proper support and diagnosis being at the forefront of why I feel this way, but ultimately, it boils down to me not wishing to invalidate or reject anybody’s experience or gatekeep people resonating with the autistic neurotype or autistic traits. Everybody deserves help and support and to have validation, acceptance, and understanding directed to them.
I tried to measure my hope for the future…
I got a 0…
Do you not believe in the concept of zero?
Do you not believe someone can have some characteristics of Autism while not meeting the diagnostic criteria for “level 1”?
I responded because you were being arguably hostile to the other commenter in tone throughout your response, and you’re being uncharitable and hostile to me here too, from my perspective. Maybe I’m too sensitive, but it doesn’t seem like civil behavior.
With respect to you, I can’t engage further in this conversation.
So you replied in the first place because you disliked my tone, but you were comfortable insulting me in your reply…
And when my tone didn’t change after you insulted me…
You replied again to insult me again and say you didn’t want to talk to me?
There is absolutely no logic in what you’re doing.
At any step you could have just not replied with insults, and none of this would be happening.
Why don’t you just block me? Because replying to police tone while simultaneously insulting someone isn’t going to be effective for me, and most likely not anyone else.
Seriously, in general saying:
Is never ever ever going to be as effective at ending a conversation than deleting the reply instead of hitting “reply” and posting it
On some level you have to understand that, right?
I did not insult you. Your tone does not read as friendly or anything close to it. I’m recognizing that I may be too sensitive here, so I’m refraining from reporting you.
Can you block me then since you want to be polite?
I know that’s a big ask because you can’t even stop replying. But this is not the first time youve responded to me talking to someone else to tell me I’m not polite. Then you immediately say you don’t want to “communicate” but never stop replying.
Which is pretty obviously trolling. I had you blocked for a while, so I don’t know how much you’ve been doing this. But the tab signed me out and the first comment was civil enough I took you off to reply.
So I think the best solution is we just block each other, right? You want to say you’re being polite, then do the polite thing and just ignore me instead of rehashing this again at some later date.
Nothing about my comments will change, so if you don’t like them. Take the very easy step to never see them again.
Unless your trolling, which is what saying “I don’t want to discuss me insulting you” and then continuing to reply over and over. Regardless, hopefully I don’t fuck up and think you’re worth takng off again.