• YoFrodo@lemmy.world
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    This whole Graham thing comes down to a single issue for me. Did he have a nazi tattoo? If yes, and it does appear to be a yes, then id never support him. No nazis or nazi sympathizers. Thats a hard line for me.

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      Intent matters. Did he knowingly choose a Nazi tattoo? All of the evidence suggests he did not, and that as soon as he found out it was associated with Nazis he immediately took action to get rid of it.

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        To add, the election Platner is running in has their primaries in June 2026, general in November 2026.

        Platner has A LOT of work to do between now and then to prove what kind of person he is and what ideas he has, but he also has A LOT of time to do it.

        I understand anyone’s hesitation in supporting him. It’s a reasonable view. Platner may never recover from this. Maybe he can. Platner is going to need to work hard to overcome this. Other candidates may be better.

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        Even if, as he claims, he didnt know it was a nazi symbol then that means hes a moron. Being simply unaware is excusable, not everyone can know everything, but getting it as a tattoo without knowing?! That means he either was/is a nazi or is/was a massive moron. Either option disqualifies him in my eyes.

        Now I dont live in Maine so it doesnt matter politically. But if I did I wouldnt be voting for him

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          Marines getting dumb ass tattoos while drunk in a foreign country is a story as old as time. He definitely used to be a moron, getting a tattoo under those circumstances was obviously a terrible decision.

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            It really doesnt matter how or why he got it unless it was against his will. Id never vote for a politician that has or had a nazi tattoo. Its just a hard stop.

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          What the fuck? Do you know every hate symbol and slur in the world? Why would you expect your average person to casually know this sort of thing? Not knowing obscure Nazi symbols doesn’t make one a “moron;” I for one have much better things to do than learning how fascism group#3011 decided to tell everyone they hate Jews.

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            If you get a tattoo and dont know what it is then you are a moron. If that tattoo turns out to be a nazi symbol then you are a giant moron. Both of these disqualify you, in my mind, from being an elected leader in any sense.

            Its not a hard concept to grasp here. Leaders should not be morons and the should absolutely not be nazis

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              If you get a tattoo and dont know what it is then you are a moron.

              Uh… it’s a skull and crossbones? Nazis didn’t invwnt those.

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                  Sure, but if you saw it not knowing it’s not just a skull and crossbones, you’ll only think “oh, skull and crossbones.” No amount of knowledge will protect you from this kind of false positive, because you can’t know what you don’t know.

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                    Except that specific symbol is one I do know, so maybe you and others can move past it. I could not. Platner shouldve known, his tattoo artist probably knew, and others did notice hence why we are even talking about it now.

                    Ignorance does not excuse it.

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      He didn’t get a Nazi tattoo. He got a skull and crossbones tattoo. Does it look a bit like the Nazi version? Sure. But the Nazis just took a form for it that had been used for centuries.

      It wasn’t a damn swastika. It was a military tattoo of the kind no way specific to Nazis. And you’re surprised a damn marine gets a tattoo that evokes centuries of military tradition?

      Would you refuse to vote for someone that was a vegetarian? Because vegetarianism is a “Nazi diet” in the same way this is a “Nazi tattoo.” Hitler was vegetarian at the end of his life.

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      He could apologize. And not just for the tattoo, but also for being in the military.

      I haven’t read a statement like this…

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        The right elects rapists, they arent the golden standard we should hold ourselves to.

        And this isnt a blurry tattoo. Hes admitted the tattoo hasnt he?

        Look Im not saying to arrest the guy or deport him or anything drastic. He just shouldnt be in the running for a govt position. A nazi tattoo, intentional or not, disqualifies him. Its that easy. Any way you cut it getting such a tattoo should mean he cant hold a govt position.

        Why is this so easy for some people to sweep under the rug?

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            You started by invoking what the right does, not me. And you are talking about “the right doesnt care if their candidates are perfect”

            Well neither do I. But a nazi tattoo is a line too far. No nazis, accidental or otherwise.

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        Well either he didnt know what the symbol meant, which makes him a moron, or he did and that makes him a nazi (or if im being generous, a sympathizer). EITHER scenario disqualifies him in my mind. I dont want a moron representing me and I definitely dont want a nazi in govt.

        Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

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          Well either he didnt know what the symbol meant, which makes him a moron,

          Yeah you keep saying that but that doesn’t make it true. Ignorance, especially of obscure knowledge, does not equal stupidity. Also you’re talking as if establishment dems on the other hand aren’t tautologically morons.

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            It is a true opinion of mine lmao. Anyone getting a tattoo without looking into the symbol is a moron lol. Its a permanent mark on your body, and anyone willing to get one without doing a little due diligence is dumb. Its not the end of the world but it absolutely disqualifies you from my support in any govt position.

            I cant believe so many people are coming out of the weeds to defend this. If it was just some dude not seeking a position of power then itd be whatever, but this guy wants to be in charge of stuff but has already shown massively questionable judgement,