The correct word would have been “threatens”…
Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run
I want Jasmine Crocket or AOC. Waltz will do though.
I love how everybody is assuming that there will be a “next election”. I’m not sure that’s guaranteed. Except, maybe, in the way that Russia still has elections.
I mean, I know you can be too alarmist about things, but there’s a very clear and obvious direction of travel in the US right now.
I don’t disagree with you, but I feel like people jump to that scenario without describing the steps to get there. How do you see unfolding? How do different opposition groups respond such as the DNC? What about blue states? How does the administration handle it without losing popular consensus? Does it even matter? If they use the military, how do they get the military stay the path when the populous begins to reject their intervention?
Trump is sending “election observers” to California because of prop 50 and to New York because of Mamdani. It’s reasonable to be very concerned about future election integrity. ICE has a larger budget than the Marines. They’ve openly ignored courts. They have fully abandoned the rule of law.
Like I said, I don’t disagree that this is a possibility, but I’m curious how people see it unfolding. I like to leverage other minds to develop my thinking.
They just told you how they see it unfolding though.
The only thing they said was they are sending election observers. How does that answer any of the very valid questions I asked?
How do you see unfolding?
Martial law to respond to ice agents being killed or police turning against them.
They’re already trying to instigate this.
How do different opposition groups respond such as the DNC?
“The Supreme Court says it’s ok, so our hands are tied, but we’re very upset.”
They already have the Supreme Court on their team.
What about blue states?
Governors will either roll over or start a hot civil war.
Which do you think they’ll choose?
How does the administration handle it without losing popular consensus?
By arresting and murdering protesters.
They’ve already identified vague groups like antifa as domestic terrorists.
If they use the military, how do they get the military stay the path when the populous begins to reject their intervention?
If you give ICE a large enough budget, they can act as a new military. And by firing non-loyal brass for not being able to do enough pushups and replacing them with loyalists, you can keep the military from intervening under the guise of neutrality.
The Courts are, as you noted, already in line with or an ineffective hedge against the administration. I think there are other opposition groups. I suspect there are more than a few in the military who are willing to resist. Discounting military leaders has been the downfall of many rebellions.
Replacing personelle isn’t as easy as just putting someone loyal into the position. Execution requires competency and the counter elites don’t have experience to run things effectively save a few notable exceptions. They seem best suited to posturing, making grand proclamations, and breaking things. This is fine when you’re trying to destroy the old order, but building one is a lot harder.
By arresting and murdering protesters.
I’m skeptical they can do this en mass without emboldening resistance at first. Your need a well staffed group of people to deal with this in hundreds of sites and willing to kill people. For everything the MAGA movement has done, they’ve never given a positivist vision for the future. Which is to say, what future are we creating that makes it worth killing people.
None of my critiques should be read as they can’t do it. Rather, these are strategic points at which interference could undermine their efforts.
As for blue states, I think most will gesture towards being offended greatly, but fail to create an effective opposition. I do think a couple will attempt a hot resistance. And if, say, a Pacific front opens, this could be difficult to deal with. Furthermore, pockets of resistence within red states will be very, very difficult to stamp out. Our large geography makes it very difficult to command and control.
I don’t think ICE, even as well funded as they are, have the trained pedosnelle or institutions to replicate anything like a military force. Hell, out military isn’t even well designed to be an effective occupation force.
While the whole world is focused on Epstein files, thinking it’s going to be his downfall (why would it?), he’s replacing the leaders of many institutions with yes men, that emergency meeting Hegseth had calling in all the military generals should honestly be the most alarming thing in recent US history, and yet we aren’t even a quarter of the way through his term.
Kinda hard not to be alarmist
Ensure we have no chance of winning.
I will splinter the two party system into a thousand little pieces. Mark my words.
Please. We need election reform.
As someone who voted for her, she can fuck off.
She won’t get the nomination. At most just maybe make some noise during the convention. Pretty sure the DNC has already decided to force Newsome though.
Yes we don’t need to know this, she flopped so hard against a convicted felon.
Kamala, with all due respect, please get mental health treatment for your apparent psychopathy.
Fuck off!
No.
JFC don’t. We don’t even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.
AOC would be a stellar choice IMO, but 90% of the 1% would probably be against her, and that’s about half of all the money in USA.
Social democracies in Scandinavia work DESPITE being undermined by the rich, so the political shrewdness and tenacity that would be required of her is insane. She would need a lot of backup from the population, and the population will need patience.Because rebuilding the institutions in USA to their former standard is already a lot of work, but rebuilding them to the standard of a proper social democracy is something USA has never seen before, and will be very difficult.
For starters it requires USA to become an actual democracy instead of the dysfunctional democracy that USA many Americans praise as divine and sent from heaven. A multi party system is a must for true democracy, and until USA has at least 8 parties represented in congress, it is not really a functioning democracy at all.I say this as someone who loves AOC and what she does…
If AOC runs, she will lose.
That’s just the state of the nation right now. The only thing America hates more than women is a progressive. The culture of the country right now is way too volatile. The country just isn’t ready for a female president. Not because a woman can’t do it… but because the country is way too far gone with sexism and misogyny.
It was a long shot when Hillary ran, it was long shot when Kamala ran. If you think it’s not a long shot now after the MAGA crowd has been systematically destroying everything… and you want to run a Berniecrat woman? At this time? In this country?
I think you are right, and I also think it would be better for USA to “normalize” and find its center first.
Then AOC will have better chances of actually accomplishing something.Now we can only hope (as a foreigner) that USA will normalize, and not become a dictatorship.
Hey, keep away from AOC, we need her to take over Chuck’s Senate seat. The rest of you can have her after a term or three, she’ll still be plenty young enough to run, and maybe by then the country will be ready to vote for a woman for President…
From an outsider perspective, I think unless you get AOC now there’s not going to be much of a country left for another round sometime later… Bernie has spent his whole life with “maybe on the next one”. It will never be on the next one.
you thought kamala was bad? AOC would TANNKKK the dems
I hate how true this is. She’s popular with Millennials but that’s about it. The vast majority of democrat voters prefer conservative establishment candidates, and they think she’s too extreme.
Age Of Cowtron?
How about they both run in the primaries in a democratic process?
who is in her circle telling her that this is a good idea? Does she not have any close friends who can speak plainly to her?
You would think having lost to an actual piece of shit would be enough of a reality check. Just stop… ffs. The best thing Kamala can do is fade into obscurity like Al Gore.
fucking delusional
I swear a few weeks ago she was leaving politics
Fuck it, let her. She had to drop out of the 2020 primary before voting started because she was on track to lose every single state, and she clearly hasn’t become more electable since then. All she could possibly do is siphon some votes and donor money off Newsom or Buttigieg. If that’s what she wants to do, I fully support that.
I completely wish she won last election… but there’s no way we’re taking a risk on her again.
I’m not a huge fan of Newsom, but at least he’s been loudly attacking this current administration. Maybe she has too, but I don’t hear from her in my news cycles.
Unless some progressive comes out and surprises everyone, Newsom will likely be my choice.
Newsom is an opportunistic snake and will say whatever he needs to to get elected and then do absolutely whatever he wants and none of it will help you. He is not better than Trump, he IS Trump, for a different audience with different motivations.
I think Newsom is like a Republican from the 70s, but comparing him to Trump like that is insane. We need to get out of this mess and a moderate is FAR better than anything the Republicans can push out.
I’ll likely vote for the progressive in the primaries, but if Newsom is the candidate it’s better than the alternatives.
Oh, he’ll be moderate, you think? Good luck with that. You think they pulled him out of a time machine from the 70s? They didn’t. He’s a product of the current political situation, he’s PART of the current political situation, he’s in the same orbits as all these people and he’s got the same people orbiting around him. If you think he’s going to move things back to the center I don’t think you understand how broken things really are. They’ve been broken for a long time, and they’re not broken in a repairable way. He’s not your champion, he’s not going to save you. You think voting for him represents “trying” to fix the problems but you’re just being led astray by organizations and powers that don’t give a fuck about any of us and are not motivated by anything we care about.
Okay, well you can vote for Vance then.
I understand what he is.
But compared to the shit show we have now… unless we get a progressive in there, what other choice do we have? Not voting? Going third party so that Repugs win again?
I don’t accept the premise that he is progressive in any meaningful way but you’re entitled to your opinion.
What other choice will there be in the next election? I don’t know, it’s too early to say. Maybe there won’t be another choice, but I think there will be plenty of interesting choices, which one is ideal is again much too early to call and you’re right we probably won’t achieve the ideal.
All I’m trying to say is, don’t trust him, and whatever ends up happening, whether he’s elected or not, don’t stop there. Job not done. He’s not going to fix this, he’s not a solution. More work needs to be done, so much more, by all of us. People need to learn civic responsibility again and start to participate in the democratic process beyond just showing up to vote. That means education, starting by educating ourselves first, which isn’t easy and it is being made harder every day. Then we can start to make progress towards unifying people, finding common ground, finding the things we can at least all agree on even if we don’t agree with the best way to do them, and starting to undo the merciless division that has been done to us. That also means outreach, that means activism, that means organizing, that means finding ways to change the system. Not all of them will be pretty. It might mean civil disobedience. It might mean violence. It might mean civil war. I don’t have a crystal ball to see what the future holds, all I know is that everyone who cares about the future of democracy in any way, shape, form or place, needs to start adjusting to the now hopefully clearly evident reality; it is not a given, we need to fight for it, and fight with everything we have, because there is clearly a lot stacked against us. But it does not mean we cannot win. In fact we must win, eventually. There is no other choice.
You may have misunderstood my last comment. I don’t think Newsom is progressive by any means. I always vote for the progressive candidates in the primary. And in the general, I’ll vote Democrat and whatever progressive propositions.
I just don’t think Kamala can win because people are sexist/racist… and she is pretty much the same moderate vision.
I think I did misunderstand then, sorry. At least I’ve hopefully made my position clear.
This is the state of American Democratic politics these days. If the candidate is not exactly what you want, then they’re Satan incarnate and they might as well let the Republicans win.
If I’m voting for the next president, I believe that they should be representing all Americans instead of primarily representing corporations and big donors.
Ideally, they should have clear principles, charisma, an ability to lead, a vision for the future, and have the ability to recognize that not everybody is as privileged as they are.
I don’t feel that a person who fails to meet any of the aforementioned criteria is suited for the highest office in the country. Maybe that’s just me.
Sure, but it’s a multiple choice question and, right now, there are only two possible options. If both options are bad, the best use of your vote is choosing the less bad one.
The primary is 7 months away. Nobody can vote yet and neither of us know exactly what will happen between now and then.
Regardless, I see the person pushing populist policies as the lesser evil. Janet Mills could win the race if she leaned into populist policies, but she won’t.
Janet Mills is the most unpopular Democratic governor in the US and is extremely pro-corporate. I don’t see her winning against Susan Collins.
the acrual Left has made massive gains since Trump took the stage, hard not to agree that accelerationism might have been what we needed
Sure, if you’re not one of the victims of accelerationism and don’t care what happens to them while we accelerate.
You mean the transphobe who destroys homeless people’s meager possessions and platforms Nazis? Gross.
We don’t need to settle for that sleazeoid. We can do way better.
Can we? I’m not saying there aren’t less sleazy options, there absolutely are. But winning isn’t just about being the best candidate, honestly that barely has anything to do with it. Winning is much more about popularity and rhetoric.
Fuck Newsom. AOC is the only valid one I’ve heard so far.
