• TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOPM
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      Nah, we’re in the “have get worse more slowly/reach the apex of shittyness sooner” phase. These are still important things, but it isn’t getting better until the second era of fascism burns itself out. It took World Wars that devastated the most powerful countries on earth last time, and I doubt it will be peaceful this time around.

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        To me that sounds like a mix of doomerism and accelerationism. If we don’t act things will definitely get worse - if we do they at least can get better or not as bad

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          Yes but fascism isn’t the cause, it’s a symptom. Fascism isn’t a new phenomenon in this world. We know what causes it. The same thing that caused it in Italy, is the same thing that caused it in Germany, is the same thing that’s causing it in Israel, and the same thing that’s causing it in America. You’re just prolonging the demise, and it’s a terrible place to be mentally.

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          It’s not ideal for things to get worse, but in places like the US, that’s already out of our hands. The non accelerationists lost, and now we’re in freefall off the cliff. This freefall is temporary and will eventually end, but it’s too late to stop it. We had a second chance and blew it.

          I know people hear me saying it’s too late for prevention and think “there is no hope; we can only have hope if the horrible future can be averted,” but I’m saying we can still have hope even in the worst of times. We can’t have hope that the organizations who let this happen will be able to save us, but we can have hope in good people being out there. We can have hope that individuals have kindness, that people themselves want a better future than we’re getting. We cannot expect the systems to choose a good future for us unless they’re dragged kicking and screaming.

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            Very well said.

            The pre-existing systems were at one point ‘correctable’, ‘steerable’, at least potentially, away from the scenario we are now in.

            Now, those systems are not fixable, they will either persist by destroying everything that is not part of them, or they will break.

            So… yes, hope, in the survivalism sense, in the knwoledge that it didnt have to be this way, that another world is possible… but to see it, you have to survive the transition/collapse period, and then actually build that better world, not just be herded into the next dystopia.

            Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

            Nerd points for anyone who doesn’t need to look up the source to that quote.

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              Star Trek is the vibe I’m getting, but it could also be Stargate. I feel like it’s coming from some powerful villain who has respect for our strength, but not enough to think we can beat them. It could also be a cynical ally of some sort who doesn’t fully believe humanity can pull it off, but is convinced by a very good pep talk to gamble on their plan.

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              fuck, and I even made a meme of that scene recently. I guess it’s been a while since I watched it.

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                “Choice.”

                “The problem is choice.”

                Also, your attempts to summarize the… character of this character… interesting.

                I would say he is certainly the first, but he is also the second, if you remember the end of the third movie.

                … uh right yeah i… these movies are all basicslly core memories for me rofl. well, at least the first 3. and the mmo. and the other two games.

                ok powering down nerd mode now lol.

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          Realism.

          The word you are looking for is realism, being realistic, taking the whole current picture and context of human history into account.

          Even if a magic snap of someone’s fingers poofed fascism out of the realm of things that can possibly exist in this universe, cool, awesome, we’re still looking at a few billion deaths in the next 25 - 50 years from climate change caused disasters, famines, economic collapse, massive migration crises, resource wars, etc etc.

          Ok now unsnap those fingers and realize that fascism is the natural decay of capitalism as managed by democracy when the economy fails for most people.

          We’ve hit the apex of industrial human civilization as we know it, its all downhill from here, maybe, maybe at some point roughly 75-100 years in the future, a much smaller human population than what presently exists will be able to pick up the pieces and begin some new kind of actual progress.

          Or we Great Filter ourselves.

          Or reality invents a magic mcguffin device like a compact, cheap to manufacture, over parity, safe for general use, nuclear fusion reactor, or something like that.

          Tech progress costs money.

          It is ultimately directed by those with money.

          As things fall apart, don’t expect much revolutionary tech breakthroughs outside of applications toward surveillance, weaponry, and battlefield medicine.

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      Some people just want to the world to burn, even as they claim they don’t.

      Where there’s a will, there’s a way. It is entirely plausible that major countries like the US will successfully repel long-term Fascism.

      Trump’s own supporters are turning on him. This is why things are getting more extreme. He is desperate to blame violence on the left, but the most hanous events continue to be far-right.

      The Epstein list is also clearly creating cracks in his movement. And the attempt to silence Jimmy Fallon backfired as even his own staunch supporters pushed back, in addition to the caving of major corporations.

      This is emphatically the WRONG time to discard hope.

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    No matter how shitty today, it’ll be the “good old times” somewhere in the (not so far) future.

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    Nothing like 40 years of political maneuvering and policy influence throughout a system of government to unravel.

    Small consolation, while many work to also influence local offices and political bodies to properly prop up their power, it’s also some of the easiest areas to get your foot in the door and make change yourself.

    Hell, even under the Putin regime, opposition thrives in areas like schoolboards and townhalls, they tend not to be the ones thrown out windows. Just high enough to make a difference, too small to be noticed.

    Lol unless the industrial complex keeps growing surveillance and monitoring without hard laws put in place, in which case oh well.

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      I don’t feel like the opposition is thriving anywhere on a significant scale, tbh. Even small communities get scared away by class traitors

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    It’s. And yes, even without Trump the foundation of our modern world, access to cheap energy and resources, is crumbling.

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      It’s = “it is,” while its = the subject’s possession. The subject of fascism hasn’t obtained possession of its peak. Isn’t English absolute bullshit? 🙃

      edit: I now realize you might be referring to the spelling in the comic, but my point still stands; English is bullshit

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        Bull’shit. And it’s one of the simpler rules. Its == already possessive. Simple!