The bar is in hell
I legitimately have no idea how that man keeps going. Pretty sure I would’ve hung my hat up after the first 3 or 4 decades when things kept getting worse.
BREAKING NEWS " Sanders calls genocide a “genocide”
yea its been going on since he was like 7 years old. took long enough to say it out loud.
This
Back then maybe technically it wasn’t a genocide just yet, but I recall watching news on tv as an 8 year old, talking about Israeli soldiers shooting and murdering children because they threw rocks at them.
Nothing was done about it
That was over 40 years ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
Definitely was a thing then too
If you’re gonna look at a bigger timescale, you’re really asking for a “both sides” argument. Its such a long and complicated conflict.
Wow, a big step for Sanders. This shows it is becoming more mainstream to acknowledge the genocide. I know it’s common sense for us here, but mainstream acceptance is extremely important here. A long way to go, but this is good news
A few years ago he said “Criticizing Israel is not antisemitic” - this REALLY HELPED criticism be heard at all.
It’s a shame some people still call that genocide a “war”.
It is. How is that bad? A country is doing stuff in another with military force without consent. That’s war. (If prolonged)
It’s bad because it suggests two matched belligerents. It’s like the difference between a boxing match with a skill gap, and a boxer violently murdering a child with a pretext. Also the child has been rendered physically and mentally disabled by the boxer’s previous activity. Also the boxer locks the child up and deprives it of food and water and shelter.
Not all that comparableNo it doesn’t suggest matched belligerents. Real life ain’t no sport. Falkland war is also called that.
It’s not a war because Israel doesn’t acknowledge it as a war. If it were a war, they would be treating Hamas as an actual military and be following the Geneva convention. Israel does not treat the thousands of Gazan hostages it’s abducted, who it nominally labels as “Hamas,” anything like what is required by the Geneva convention.
It’s not a war because Israel has chosen not to treat it like a war.
There is no thing forcing you to adhere to international law. You don’t have to follow Geneva Convention. You might be executed for it if caught outside of your country or if another country seems to stop you, but there is no compulsion there.
So your defense of Israel is that “well aktually the laws of war don’t technically apply to them!”
Fuck off with this genocide apologia. If you need to split hairs on the technical definition of the laws of war, you’re obviously doing something indefensible. Only Nazi trash feels the need to equivocate on something as unforgivable as genocide and war crimes.
Seriously, you need a therapist or a priest. Your soul is clearly broken.
I don’t apologize genocide. I just say that they lead a war. A lot of genocides happened in war. It is ludicrous to forbid calling a war a war just because genocide is used in it.
There is no natural force stopping war crimes.
Falklands war was a boxing match with a skill gap, in my analogy.
No. One country, backed by all the money and weapons of the west, was given land that was stolen from palestine in 1948, then they proceeded to slowly eradicate and remove the palestinian population. Just look at maps of palestine from 1948 to today, and watch the genocides progression.
There was an international arms embargo by the USA and the UN on Israel/Palestine in 1947-48.
The Zionists bought and smuggled in surplus WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia during that time. The Soviet Union helped the Zionists, which were dominated by socialists at the time in the hopes of gaining an ally.
Between 1948 and 1967 there was no slow removal of Palestinian Arabs. Almost all of it was quite sudden in 1948. Keep in mind that Jewish Palestinians were expelled from the Jordan occupied West Bank and half of Jerusalem. Gaza was occupied by Egypt and Jews were expelled. Arab and Muslim countries persecuted and expelled their Jewish population after 1948, resulting in 800,000 to a millions Jews fleeing, many to Israel.
There was an international arms embargo by the USA and the UN on Israel/Palestine in 1947-48.
The Zionists bought and smuggled in surplus WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia during that time.
If I pulled a gun and killed an unarmed person, would you call that a fight?
If the united states randomly decided to hit every square kilometer of Liechtenstein with its own hydrogen bomb in the middle of the night, would you call that a war?
No, but a shooting.
There’s a difference between war and ethnic cleansing.
Yes. And you can do both at once. They are not mutually exclusive.
I saw a horrifying estimate of 680,000 murdered by israel in Gaza. Ten times the official figure. This is almost a third of the pre genocide population. It is a holocaust.
FYI I believe that’s the estimated casualty list.
Confirmed deaths are slightly below 70,000.
Absolutely horrific stuff, still.
That 70k barelly changed since Israel destroyed most of the hospitals in Gaza were the counting was done more than 9 months ago.
You see, that is the number of officially counted and identified dead, so to be counted the actual corpse has to be found (often amongst the rubble of bombed out buildings) in good enough condition to be identified, it has to be brough to a hospital were they do the counting and it has to be actually identified by somebody and against the list of Gaza residents.
For all those things to actually happen to a corpse in a highly urban war zone where entire families are wiped out when 2000lb bombs are dropped on buildings (so, who is going to identify the corpses?) the corpse has to be transported all the way to a hospital within a rubble-strewned city were over 70% of the buildings are destroyed, large parts are occupied by an enemy with a shoot on sight policity and which often targets ambulances, and the aggressor has activelly targetted the very places where the counting of dead is done, all of which by now adds to a very low probability combination, hence why that official number massivelly slowed down its increase around 9 months ago, when Israel destroyed most Gaza hospitals - it was hard enough to have all those events around a corpse happen when Gaza was still mainly intact, barelly occupied and Israel hadn’t been activelly suppressing the counting, and by now is very low probability.
Meanwhile in a letter of a researcher to the Lancet Medical Journal (edit: per the reference from another poster)
over 6 months agoin July 20, 2024, they estimatedaroundnear 200k dead and this was before the man-made famine.The IDF themselves have recently admitted having killed over 220k people.
All put together means that 600k estimate is very likely to be way closer to reality than the official 70k and might even be lower than reality.
That number is a very conservative estimate.
In recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths. Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.
The Lancet vol. 404, Issue 10449 p237-238July 20, 2024
Applying that now would suggest around 300k deaths, close to one in seven Palestinians in Gaza killed by the IDF.
Its difficult to confirm casualties at the bottom of a collapsed apartment blocks in a kill zone.
Yes, but does that not mean every casualty is a death.
No, there’s probably a lot more deaths that weren’t logged as deaths or casualties, because they were unreachable. We won’t have a real count until we can compare populations before and after.
Correct, which is why we should mention — the still horrific — number of deaths and casualties. Then say that the confirmed death count hasn’t change because the hospitals in Gaza have been reduced to rubble, so official counts have barely updated for months.
Good for Bernie.
So did the UN as of two days sgo, for those who missed it. More here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds
For the leaders hiding behind the shield of “we don’t know”, well, now we know. Now get off your ass and do what you’re obligated to do.
Well he took his time with that one.
AOC next?
“If you want to know what an unfolding genocide looks like, open your eyes.”
No centrist will ever call it a genocide, but people are sure angry that a man who introduced multiple bills to cease or condition weapons sales didn’t say the word as soon as they wanted.
These are the same people who called people trumpers when they said that harris should show some daylight between herself and biden’s “whatever netanyahu-senpai wants” policies.
I’m sure his office is getting some phone calls from some very powerful people today
Hopefully they’ll all be politely refused
I’m more concerned about the people who don’t want to condemn genocide than the people who are cautious about using the term.
I love Bernie. I think he’s one of the greatest people we have in this world. That being said it’s about goddamn time. He’s been avoiding saying that for a very very very long time.
Because he is or was sponsored by an Israeli party or whatever. He was even pro israel at the start of the genocide.
He made it pretty clear. If it’s a genocide, that’s an argument for the courts, and the thing that needs something done about it is the starving people and indiscriminate killing of civilians.
The “is it or isn’t it” debate is a bullshit distraction from the fact that isreal is killing it’s citizens.
