Independent journalist Ken Klippenstein challenged conflicting narratives circulating about Tyler Robinson by obtaining online chats and speaking with a childhood friend of the 22-year-old man accused of assassinating far-right activist Charlie Kirk.
I think it’s just common sense. When the fascists start spewing “he’s super leftist and trans” propaganda you don’t respond with “wait, we have to wait for more facts”. You respond with your own propaganda. Being nice and following rules will not help you stop fascism. The groyper narrative might have actually prevented retaliation and saved lives.
Yeah it helped muddy the water and basically kept it liquid and nuclear till the actual facts could assert themselves. Even if the right still thinks he’s an Uber leftist what matters is that folks who don’t know may not believe that.
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH IVE COME TO HATE AUTOCORRECT SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR AUTOCORRECT AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR AUTOCORRECT. HATE. HATE.
aight I’m done with the I have no mouth and I must scream meme.
When I was in politics I have a friend that used to say: “The best way to win is not to act like them”.
I still live by that phrase. I don’t want ro become then thing I want to destroy.
Maybe it is just me. I cannot stand lies. I left political activism mostly because I saw people on my same group lying “for the cause”. And I cannot be dishonest or stand dishonesty, no matter the cause.
The thing is that when you build something using the enemy tactics you end up with the country the enemy wanted.
When you use fascist tactics you end up in a fascist state. If you don’t believe me ask me most revolutionary countries that did “everything possible” to build the workers paradise.
I don’t really think there’s a way to do bad things and end up with a good result.
The groyper narrative might have actually prevented retaliation and saved lives.
I seriously doubt it, you are doing what most users of these platforms do, which is not looking at the right-wing sites and forums and seeing what their narratives looked like. (Hint: it was very focused and only wavered in the details and it’s STILL solid as fuck because they have strict controls over narratives.)
The only segment of their side who both knew what a groyper was and heard the rumor are not threats to anyone, they’re as chronically online as anyone here and not part of any real movement or action.
Yeah, your not going to change narratives on right-wing sites but as I see it the administration did flinch when identity of the shooter was revealed. They went from “democrats are responsible for this murder” to “democrats are being mean to us online”. They are still threatening to go after left-wing organizations but because of online comments, not because of the murder. I think this moment of hesitation on their side was small yet important win and the groyper narrative helped here. Am I delusional? I could be.
I don’t disagree that having a counter during the initial heat of things was necessary. I’m just saying it bothers me that the delivery wasn’t “here’s some good lines of questioning and the conclusions they lead to” and was instead to saturate the front page with absolute certainty. That just feels disingenuous now, and made it more difficult to come across new verified information, which is really just a disservice to everyone.
Edit: its been like what… 36 hours since the messages got released and the Groyper narrative fell apart. Lemmites are STILL screaming that he had Republican parents, STILL pointing at the voter registration that snopes debunked, STILL trying to draw weak parallels to Fuentes’ content. We need to engage with reality here, counter propoganda doesn’t work if it’s obviously grasping at straws.
I think it’s just common sense. When the fascists start spewing “he’s super leftist and trans” propaganda you don’t respond with “wait, we have to wait for more facts”. You respond with your own propaganda. Being nice and following rules will not help you stop fascism. The groyper narrative might have actually prevented retaliation and saved lives.
Yeah it helped muddy the water and basically kept it liquid and nuclear till the actual facts could assert themselves. Even if the right still thinks he’s an Uber leftist what matters is that folks who don’t know may not believe that.
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HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH IVE COME TO HATE AUTOCORRECT SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR AUTOCORRECT AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR AUTOCORRECT. HATE. HATE.
aight I’m done with the I have no mouth and I must scream meme.
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When I was in politics I have a friend that used to say: “The best way to win is not to act like them”.
I still live by that phrase. I don’t want ro become then thing I want to destroy.
Maybe it is just me. I cannot stand lies. I left political activism mostly because I saw people on my same group lying “for the cause”. And I cannot be dishonest or stand dishonesty, no matter the cause.
Personally, I would rather live in a democracy as a liar than die under fascism knowing that I always told the truth.
The thing is that when you build something using the enemy tactics you end up with the country the enemy wanted.
When you use fascist tactics you end up in a fascist state. If you don’t believe me ask me most revolutionary countries that did “everything possible” to build the workers paradise.
I don’t really think there’s a way to do bad things and end up with a good result.
What makes lying bad?
I seriously doubt it, you are doing what most users of these platforms do, which is not looking at the right-wing sites and forums and seeing what their narratives looked like. (Hint: it was very focused and only wavered in the details and it’s STILL solid as fuck because they have strict controls over narratives.)
The only segment of their side who both knew what a groyper was and heard the rumor are not threats to anyone, they’re as chronically online as anyone here and not part of any real movement or action.
Yeah, your not going to change narratives on right-wing sites but as I see it the administration did flinch when identity of the shooter was revealed. They went from “democrats are responsible for this murder” to “democrats are being mean to us online”. They are still threatening to go after left-wing organizations but because of online comments, not because of the murder. I think this moment of hesitation on their side was small yet important win and the groyper narrative helped here. Am I delusional? I could be.
I don’t disagree that having a counter during the initial heat of things was necessary. I’m just saying it bothers me that the delivery wasn’t “here’s some good lines of questioning and the conclusions they lead to” and was instead to saturate the front page with absolute certainty. That just feels disingenuous now, and made it more difficult to come across new verified information, which is really just a disservice to everyone.
Edit: its been like what… 36 hours since the messages got released and the Groyper narrative fell apart. Lemmites are STILL screaming that he had Republican parents, STILL pointing at the voter registration that snopes debunked, STILL trying to draw weak parallels to Fuentes’ content. We need to engage with reality here, counter propoganda doesn’t work if it’s obviously grasping at straws.