INFO!!! fairphone DOES SUPPORT CUSTOM ROMS!!!
i like the idea of a fairphone. i dun wana buy one tho - if it doesn hav the features i need/wan.
if fairphone had all dis stuff - it would hav a genuine moat, besides the sustainability stff-
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If people, not only lemmy’s people and a small minority care about the jack people would buy phones with jacks, there are good options but very few people do.
Most people actually like and prefere bluethooth.
Same for ROMs, when was the last time you said “wow, I sure miss custom roms” and the whole room went “meeetooo”. Hell, most people don’t even know what a custom rom is.
This is not what “the people want” is “what lemmy thinks everyone ones, but is actually only them circle jerking”.
Downvote me to hell, but is the truth.
Headphone jacks are less important to me than other features but that doesn’t mean I don’t want one. I have to use a stupid USB to headphone adapter thingy to use my headphones and I cant charge it while I do, which yes, is a thing I wanted to do a few times.
Well i know a lot of people irl who miss the headphone jack and none are lemmy users and not all are nerds
I know a lot of people who don’t, so? Anecdotal information.
We don’t have independant studies in this debate afaik sor anecdotal info is relevant here
Alright. I know no one outside of lemmy who cares about the jack, you do. Where does that leave us?
Well, some people care about it then
i said in the post “to get me interested”, not “to get the majority of people interested”.
It says clearly down to the right “Focus on features people want”.
The missing 3.5mm Headphone jack hurts so much :(
yesyis, also my biggest gripe ;(((
if i cud jus hook up my good lil headponies - like - i wud keep that phone for however long i cud keep it-
A 3.5mm to USBC converter really does cost less than a coffee… Was probably not made with ethical labour tho
I always see this argument but I really don’t want anything plugged into anything as important as the USB-C port while the phone is in my pocket.
3.5 plugs are rather short outside of the phone (at least for headphones with 90deg plugs) to minimize leverage that you put on the port. Being able to rotate also means less stress on the port as well.
The USB-C adapters are pretty short, but lack the rotation. I have replaced USB-C ports in dozens of Nintendo Switches and other devices, it is pretty clear they aren’t designed to take much stress.
Long story short if anything happens I would much rather have the 3.5mm pin stuck in a headphone jack than breaking the USB-C port and making it so my phone is a brick.
Totally valid. My fairphone USB port broke after a few years. Took a £20 part and ten minutes to fix, but it’s definitely still an issue with USB C.
I’d consider that if they added a second USB port, but no. Why would anyone want to use headphones while their phone is plugged in?
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I use a dongle and get better audio quality than I ever had on an integrated jack. I really don’t care if a phone has the jack. If I want something compact on the go, I use bluetooth ears. If I want to listen to high quality audio, I use the dongle with a quality DAC with proper headphones.
“focus on feature people want” crowd when you tell them you don’t want a headphone jack: Downvote, your opinion doesn’t matter.
Edit to add on your point: using a DAC or Bluetooth and I have better sound audio than an abused jack that is the first thing to break on my phones. Plus no cable to annoy me and get tangled everywhere.
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This post really resonates with me and I’ve already said my piece about jack removal and BT buds arriving at the same time by FP.
The realization I came to is that FP is not an enthusiast brand and doesn’t want to be; it is not the Framework of phones.
They cater to the broadest market segment, they want to be the repairable Samsung, rather. And it shows.
Is there any brand that does want to be the Framework of phones?
And the removable battery was really awesome. Being able to turn your phone off completely in just 10 seconds without any tools. Or pop in a spare one and have a fully charged phone on the go.
Also maybe I’m paranoid but it’s really nice to know you can turn the phone completely off.
Yeah. This is also my opinion. I don’t trust phones to be completely disconnected when there is no physical switch, just a button that has to be pressed.
The replaceable battery has less and less appeal toe with those crazy 120 watt chargers. A good power bank can replace that functionality quite a bit IMO.
I don’t care about fast charge times. I do care about my battery life significantly shortening after one year.
My old Xiaomis never had that problem 🤷🏼♀️ guess I was lucky, hoping it’ll continue like that 😁!
I heard iPhones are crap when it comes to battery life and batteries in general, but that’s just what I have heard.
I was speaking to the fact that I cannot replace the battery after one year.
It’s a Lithium Ion problem. There are a limited number of recharge cycles.
On average, after one year of charging every day, your smartphone battery will be at 80% its original capacity.
Yeah maybe 80% is then way more than I need today. Computers are getting more efficient.
But actually it’s not at all 80% after 365 charge cycles, that is just lying. Battery tech is also improving but never had it been 300-400 charging cycles to even 90%
i don’t mean this in a mean way, but I think you forgot how good replacing a battery was and got Stockholm syndromed into liking non replaceable batteries lol
I sure do remember and it was useful because the gps drained the 3000mAh battery like crazy, and using the phone even moderately needed battery nr 2.
Today I don’t need to recharge my phone more than nightly, with the rare being sick and watching 12 hours of YouTube in a row, but then I can charge my phone from 10% to 90% in under 20 minutes sooooooo… WAY less important for me.
And you sure did mean it in a mean way, otherwise you’d just stuck with your opinion instead of trying some low level insult of my mental state.
You’re arguing against replaceable batteries. Your mental state is apparent.
And you attack the person because you have no arguments.
What I want from fairphone:
- Take security and long-term support seriously
I will never buy another phone without wireless charging. Yes, I know it has significant downsides. I do not care, I am hard on my ports, wireless charging doesn’t break. Given that qi2 is now available as a standard and blunts the severity of the downsides as well … Realistically not buying another phone until I can get an unlocked bootloader qi2 phone with decent specs.
I don’t fully understand this “I won’t buy a fairphone, because it doesn’t have a audio jack” way of thinking. Are there any phones that actually has a jack and still gets updates?
I agree it would be a nice feature, but the few I have spoken to, whom actually complain about this, has ended up buying another phone that IMO is worse and also has no jack.
I’m just confused, not trying to be negative or mean towards anyone.
I’m still using a galaxy S10 specifically because there aren’t any phones on the market that have a headphone jack that I like.
It has 512gb storage, 6gb ram, removable sim and expandable storage. Just replaced the battery off ifixit. Only issue is no eSIM support for international travel but that’s a small price to pay.
How do you get updates?
Same way still. Samsung is a bit slower in rolling them out to older phones generally but that’s almost a good thing with all of the AI pushes and unnecessary bloat
When I was shopping for a new phone I checked what models could run custom mods and had > 5 years of support. I came up with Fairphone and Pixel. Neither had jack, dual sim or SD card. Fairphone was about 2x more expensive. It was a simple choice. Now, if Fairphone would have a dual sim and a jack I would have probably paid extra.
Is dual sim a must or is esim an option? I use 2 sims, but it’s 1 regular and 1 esim.
If esim isn’t an option. I would like to learn why
In my previous job they gave a phone for on calls. My phone was dual SIM so I just plugged the work SIM into my phone and didn’t have to carry both phones. Now when I see a dual SIM phone I think “this could come in handy one day” but it’s not a must have for me.
Maybe prepaid sims purchased with cash? Its a degree of anonymity i guess?
I used to buy LG phones for the headphone jack before they stopped making phones. Now I have a sony xperia 5 iv and they just announced they’re going to stop selling phones in the US… Ugh
My Fairphone 3 has a headphone jack and is running the most recent build of LineageOS, so yeah.
My motorola moto g55 I’m typing this on has updates and a jack
The Sony Xperia 1 VII(totally not a confusing Name) has a headphone jack and get 4years of updates and 6 of security. It is a very niche phone thought but still a flagships. It also has an SD card slot.
Point being there are phones and even high end phones out there that have these features, however it’s rare which sucks
The phone I’m typing this on right now has an audio jack and still gets updates.
newest sony phone does
I feel like most of these are at least misleading if not outright false (or maybe I’m misunderstanding them, so please correct me if I do).
- Allow custom ROMs: It does, and there is even a Google-free variant they sell on their store.
- Dual SIM and SD card slot: There may not be dual slots, but there is Dual SIM (one physical, one eSIM), and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a phone with multiple SD card slots.
- Programmable “moments” button: The button is not programmable per se, but there are different settings to make it do different things.
- No dumb accessories: If you don’t find them useful, don’t buy them?
- Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
Headphone jack: Fair enough, I do miss that one, but the USB-C with an adapter works okay, and I’m still using the same headphones that I’ve used for years.
I do this as well, but I would also like to charge the phone while I have my headphones connected to it, and all these additional adapter chains often don’t work very reliable, and are much more cumbersome to deal with.
ur right bout the first two… i updated the posts content becuz of it (som hours ago)
but the accessories - see - i like the idea, bzt sadly they opted for a screw-on desgin… which then made the phone have two black screws on the back, in places where ur fingers would be… whivh spawns a big uncomfy feeling in me - so its mostly a personal thing-
but yes, ur points r very valid n i agree.
How did you hold one in your hands?? Is there a fair phone store?
Fairphone with graphene os and headphone jack would be awesome.
I want a phone completely untouched by Google. No Google hardware, no upstream Google dependencies at all. Hardware that I control and a more “traditional” flavor of Linux with a mobile-native DE.
I would love to have an immutable easy to upgrade system similar to unblue aurora or bluefin, but based on Postmarket os, but with extra security like SE Linux a proper firewalls flatpak support hardend_memory alloc etc. And also Good container support.
Aswell as a way droid version with a few features of graphene os like per App network toggle aswell as storage and contact scopes Sandboxed Google play etc.
And then with a mix between the Sony Xperia 1 VII and a fairphone 6. Such a phone would be awesome.
On a different note the progress the post market is team is making is really promising who knows maybe Linux on a phone will be daily drivable in a few years.
Maybe you will find this interesting: https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/
hopefully that is possible soon. i want it too
Also I like your drawings and art style/visualization.
aww thanksies <3 <3 <3 <3
Off topic but I really like your style of drawing, it’s cute.
^_^Maybe supporting more US-based carriers would hook me.
However, I applaud their efforts in addressing modern slavery and child slavery in their supply chains and manufacturing.
It is rampant, and buying many forms of technology are supporting those supply chains.
I would add proper Linux mainline support here.
That would allow other non-android options as well, and makes it be supported for the near future. And will likely have a network effect, allowing other phones with similar hardware to be supported as well.
Mainline Linux support is a chipset feature, the manufacturer has little control over it. And even then, you have manufacturers like Mediatek that theoretically have full mainline support, but the bootloader is totally locked and no custom ROMs exist.
Most mainlining effort is financed by the people that build products with it, not the chipset vendors. Chipset vendors are only interested in providing a working demo application, not much more. If someone promises 8 years maintenance, they could also in parallel work on mainline support, so that it can continue to be supported.
About locked bootloaders, sure you need to be able to unlock them as well, but that often also is a decision of the product manufacturers, not the chipset vendors.
If a manufacturer wants to lock the bootloader, they can, true. But sometimes, you have phones in the same family where the Qualcomm chipset supports unlocking and the Mediatek one doesn’t. E.g. Xiaomi before they restricted unlocking further.
Don’t mistake correleation and causation. I don’t know the specifics, but bootloaders are software and socs are hardware. The bootloaders keys are fused into the hardware, so that only that bootloaders can boot. When you buy a soc, no keys are fused in, this happens at the manufacturer factory deployment process. The bootloaders can then decide if the device supports an ‘unlocked’ state, and displays the warnings if unlocked. The bootloaders are build and configured by the manufacturer. However, the soc vendors will give the product vendors a SDK containing tested sources and configuration for their soc.
Here is what could explain your observation, manufacturer is lazy and doesn’t care to change the default configuration of the bootloader. And the default configuration of Mediatek and Qualcomm SDKs are different.
There is a semi-recent thread about Mediatek at https://www.reddit.com/r/PocoPhones/comments/1cuwkm0/lies_about_mediatek/ where it started that their source code is incomplete, they don’t provide it at all. Hence no manufacturer can mainline it. And this is one of the reasons custom ROM development for them is so slow compared to Qualcomm SOCs.
Yes, as your link states, it is the product manufacturers responsibility to release the code. And if they don’t have it, they can sue Mediatek.
But very likely have access to the source, otherwise they couldn’t adapt the kernel & co. to their boards. Soc is just one part of the whole board, full of other components that need kernel configurations…
But anyway, this thread it about the kernel, we talked about the bootloader and why it cannot be unlocked, which is a separate issue.
Manufacturer needs access to the bootloader to put their Android key for the image, which contains their special apps, in place. So they have sources. To be able to flash a different bootloader, they need to be able to fuse the bootloader key into the SOC, so they have a unlocked soc. So they have everything to offer unlockable bootloaders, if they care for it.
Yeah sorry, I kind of went on a tangent.
Regarding the source, I was under the impression that manufacturers get some kind of devkit for the SoC that works against a given kernel version (one of the LTS ones Android usually uses) and binary drivers for the non-open parts. One could sue the manufacturer after buying a phone and demand release of the source, but this won’t hit meditated because the vendors won’t go after them or their license gets terminated. Legally difficult but similar to the grsecurity situation: yeah you have rights, but if you exercise them, we choose not to do business with you anymore.
Shameful situation and I think Google wanted to get out of this legal area when they developed Fuchsia as this concept would solve technical and legal issues for manufacturers.
I’m not sure where this discussion stemmed from because from my knowledge, the Fairphone does allow custom ROMs, though you lose some boot security functionality? I didn’t read too much into it yet
I straight up refuse to ever buy bt headphones. I never really had a desire to use them, and having them as the only option pisses off some deep part of my soul that hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker(in private of course). I honestly don’t miss it, instead finding other ways to pass the time around other people.
hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker.
You do realize that playing music on anything but a tiny speaker requires more power than BT+headphones? Even playing it loud in the built-in speakers can be note wasteful than later versions of Bluetooth.
Bluetooth transmission power costs are insignificant. But you don’t need to justify preferring the option to have regular wired earbuds on a phone.
well played
I’ve been forced to resort to them since it seems pin on my power port that handles audio signal has failed.
I hate playing stuff I’m listening to on speakers, even in private, I just always feel like someone else might be around, and I don’t want to annoy them, or even worse, have them judge me. It just makes me uncomfortable.
I’d trade their dumb accessories for a qi2 magnet. Stop trying to make a new ecosystem when a universal ecosystem exists around qi2
ooooooh!!! i thought that was some apple proprietary bs stuff - but apparently not - cool! <3
Actually, the magnet stuff (not the actual wireless charging) is an Apple thing, but—as far as I know—it is still free to be used.
Ya. You can get cases that have the magnets inside so you can use the same accessories.
I think it originated with Apple, but it was accepted as the standard.
I like this new look on Apple, they contributed partly to USBc and partially to qi2
It also needs to be upgradeable between generations like the framework laptops are. If it had that and a headphone jack I would buy one, but without those absolutely not. I’m not willing to pay anywhere near their prices for something I’m still going to have to replace in a few years, and after learning my lesson with my current OnePlus 9 I am absolutely never buying another phone without a headphone jack
