dude if your ui is unusable you’re gonna hear about it.
you can’t make an open source car that has two joysticks instead of a steering wheel and talk about industry standards and vendor lock ins when people say it sucks.
I mean it’s cool that it exists for non drivers who sometimes want to jump on an open source car for a quick trip but if driving is your job then the joysticks being technically functional won’t cut it.
that doesn’t mean you have to copy everything 1:1, if people are looking for alternatives one reason might be that not everything about the standard car is great. affinity has some great differences in tools but they’re designed in a way that makes sense to pro users.
I’ve said this before but there’s a severe lack of designers in the open source space. there should be a platform that enables designers to relatively easily contribute to open source projects without learning git or whatever the fuck.
a platform that enables designers to relatively easily contribute to open source projects without learning git
Reading this made me a bit sad.
On the one hand, I understand how tools like this could be a hurdle for someone who isn’t heavily invested in their use. And on the other, as someone who has tinkered with open source projects, I know that as hurdles go, git is the first of very many hurdles that must be cleared when contributing to a large, mature GUI program like this, and it’s a pretty low one at that.It would be great if more people could contribute to and help develop open-source versions of tools they themselves use, but I can certainly see how tough it can be starting out
Not low at all. After you contribute the maintainer be like “can you rebase it all to one commit”
And then you end up force pushing and ping 4000 people
Or you accidentally close your pull request
Open source software design sucks because they don’t have desginers (who know git) because they can’t attract designers (who know git) because they don’t have money (free and open source) because they don’t have big userbase (which can lead to more people donating) because oss software design sucks.
here should be a platform that enables designers to relatively easily contribute to open source projects without learning git or whatever the fuck.
Make it then.
Do you know how difficult it is to make software that runs, let alone runs well? Do you know how difficult it is to stay on top of the constant messages, issues, PRs, and just churn that comes alone when that particular software gets popular? And on top of that devs are supposed to be design gods too?
If you think you have the solution: build it. Be a part of the solution. The developers of GIMP can’t do everything.
genius reply. i love that in the same comment where you say devs can’t be design gods you say designers should make an entire software platform.
and no, they’re not supposed to be design gods, which is why I said there should be a platform that enables designers to contribute, which would take the burden off the devs. words must be hard.
I know very little about GIMP or other OS design software, but does this software have a plugin system that designers could use to extend the software so they can use it how they want?
That would be another thing to look intoAlright making this really simple.
These are the interpretations of you and your words:
- you are a dev
- you think GIMP’s design is shit
- you think GIMP devs should be better at design and are worth shitting on
- you purport to have a solution
My words:
- stop shitting on devs for design
- build the solution you purport to have
Nowhere do I say “designers should write code”.
Are we on the same page now?
that’s a bad interpretation.
- no I’m a designer, which is why I’m talking about design
- yes it is
- no, devs are devs and designers are designers. I think it would be nice for designers to have more opportunity to contribute to open source projects
- having a solution is a bit generous. I just said having an easy to use platform for designers would make open source projects more approachable.
and to your words:
- I’m shitting on the design, not the devs. stop personalizing criticism it’s a terrible way to live and work.
- if I could I would
Nowhere do I say “designers should write code”.
except for literally the very previous sentence. of course you don’t realize that because you somehow assumed I’m a dev despite my comments being entirely about design and even implying that I don’t even know how the fuck git works
Are we on the same page now?
clearly not
dude it’s not my fault you’re on an entirely different book, let alone the same page
They’d didn’t say they were a dev so your whole analysis is off.
that’s not what they were saying.
They were saying there wish there was a way for designers to contribute. Git is a pain in the ass. lets be real. Important, but a pain. Its a bad UI.
Design isn’t the same as code, so the same process and repos aren’t necessarily going to help. that’s all they didn’t say anything insulting. Only that they wish there was a away for designers to contribute. Why is that hurting peoples feelings?
The problem is even if a designer contributes (say they open an issue with design feedback or even wireframes and such) developers seldom see as much value in a redesign as there is in working on features they care about, because open source is driven by developers making apps that they would use firstly.
that’s fine but there should be less defensiveness about people criticizing the design then
Krita, motherfuckers. Do you use it?
We have ISO standards. Fuck every single company that ignores those (Microsoft, Apple, …).
And fuck ISO for charging so much for access to them.
As an engineer: 1000% agree.
Seriously, why do I have to pay a value somewhere close to £1000 for a set of FUCKING PDFs?!?
This is ridiculous. Make money from audits, certifications, training, and conferences. You can still make absolute stacks from those. Why the fuck do I or my company need to shell out thousands just so we know what to certify against to be able to sell stuff?!
It’s a fucking racquet and they know it. But it’s either one of 3 options:
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Find someone who’s willing to send you the PDF or log in credentials for a library service that has access to these standards.
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Take the risk downloading PDFs from dodgy sites you found on the 5th page of duckduckgo.
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Bend over and spread open your wallet. Because good luck getting anything delivered to a customer without it.
Around here most companies just have subscriptions or get to them through university libraries. It is still annoying, I aggree. It is funnier once you realize that they completly rely on free work as well.
That said, standards are imo one of the greatest t achievements of humanity. And if you’ll ever be involved in that process, you’ll quickly see why this whole thing is expensive.
If you don’t want to pay that much, don’t curse at ISO, put pressure on your government to provide it for free. Imo well invested tax money.
My personal main problem is that companies sometimes infiltrate the process.
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BUT I CAN
Is it possible to learn this power??
I was going to make a gif tutorial but I screwed up the recording and I’ve lost all motivation.
File, New, set resolution multiple of 1000, like 2000x2000
View, Show Grid
View, Snap to Grid
Image, Configure Grid, set pixels under Spacing to desired height, if aspect ratio is checked it will automatically adjust the width to match, like 50x50 for example
Zoom in towards center, click and drag vertical and horizontal ruler to the center using the location value on the bottom left
Create first transparent layer
Select brush tool, the big circle brush, and set size to 1000 and click at the center
Select eraser tool, set size to 960 and click center
New layer
Brush to 700, center
eraser to 670, center
New layer
brush to 60, between rings
eraser to 40, on new dot
New layer
Using brush at size 20px, click and shift click to create lines, draw a square and a right triangle in the top-left quadrant in the centermost circle by connecting points on the rim.
Select every layer, copy and paste
With new layers selected, select all
Transform, Rotate, ensure that the centerpoint is the actual center with the on screen reticle, and rotate the circle 90 degrees. Repeat process but rotate 180 degress.
Export image, you’re done.
EDIT: I guess I didn’t really explain Whitespace Utilization, you can use a white brush instead of eraser to cover the layer beneath.
Once you’re ready to export, flatten image to a single layer and then under color, color to alpha, white should already be selected
Add a new layer, white layer, move the layer to the bottom of the stack
Done
This should be done in inkscape or krita.
Nah fuckem I liek GIMP
Yeeh gimme a bit
Cool design.
Gimp is genuinely awful and is maybe the worst example you could have given
The only thing awful about GIMP is its name.
At least the name gives you a really good idea of the philosophy driving their UX…
edit: no hang on I meant “the people that choose the name also define the project’s philosophy”
I get where you’re coming from, but maybe you haven’t heard the news! GIMP 3.0 just got released in March including an overhaul of the UI. While I haven’t checked it out myself, reviewers are saying it’s now really good.
Spoiler alert: It’s way better than it was, but it’s still not very good.
Leagues above whatever the fuck adobe photoshop is doing.
this is extreme coping
In the future maybe they’ll reduce it down to one button and force you to yell your intentions into a USB microphone that costs $23.99 a month to rent and needs 20 minutes of downtime to update every few days and bricks itself if there is no internet connection.
and it’d still work better than gimp lmao
this is extreme coping
It’s not a standard until there’s an ISO, RFC, IEEE or IEC number to go with it.
W3C
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You can make circles in Krita
It’s possible in Ligma, too.
Keycloak is a industry standard and is very much not vendor locked. Same with Auth0. As far as oauth goes.
Yeah I feel like “industry standard” and “vendor locked” are kinda opposites?
Not really. “Industry standard” just means it’s commonly used in the industry. “Open specification” is the opposite of “vendor locked”, e.g. OAuth for authentication.
Industry standard is generally an open standard. Proprietary is what you and meme/op are thinking.
No, sorry, you’re just wrong. An “industry standard” can be anything that’s normal in an industry, e.g. a particular tool. Photoshop for example is an industry standard, but it’s not an open standard in any way.
What it means is context driven. I didn’t see this was an “industry standard” vs an alternative/gimp.
Okay, but we’re in the context of “tools being industry standards”, as GP mentioned KeyCloak. That’s not a standard/specification, it’s a tool.
And of course Photoshop is an industry standard.
Yup.
Cue the 20-minute alley fight!
photoshop has got problems, but gimp and krita have the sort of problems that i never had using PS. like, completely missing functions and tools that are standard in PS. maybe there’s an extension, maybe there isn’t, and troubleshooting is time and energy spent when i have little to spare on making art or whatever
Tried Serif Affinity? Photoshop is great mate but it’s not worth that cash.
Wait they took the ellipse tool?
What?
Industry standard or monopoly.
