mfw people start treating the neo-feudalist who throws trans people under the bus and tried to join the fascists like some savior bc 4chan memes:
You Americans cannot abide allies or any other type of leftists, no wonder the right ate your lunch and continues to do so. You guys hate everyone. The American left has become so toxic and self isolated
I have respect for well-intentioned liberals, moderates and even some conservatives.
Newsom is not that. He is a selfish ball of sleeze who does whatever he thinks will benefit him most in any given moment. He’s not much better than Trump.
Yeah, who says a leftist can’t be on the hard right.
Problem is that anyone even slightly right of you, and you call them hard right. Shit you’ll even call people to the left of you “hard right” just for disagreeing with you on a small issue. No true leftists in the u.s. literally nobody is left enough to anyone else on the left
They’re just expressing an opinion. No, need to villainize the entire left. We will waste more energy trying to rationalize politics with trans people then just letting them do their thing. Newsom is not a friend of the Trans community. Frankly, I know all too well from growing up, they dont have many allies. Its really sad too. I want to be there for them but if they won’t be there for me, now, when we need to pull the reigns in there’s nothing I can do to converge our two realities.
No one is going to rule the ashes. No one seems to want to plan the revolution. No one seems to understand that divided we fall.
I want trans people to have fulfilling lives. Is what we have now acceptable to trans people? Will the GOP get you there? Will societies clapse make a difference?
These arent questions for me to answer. So, what is it? Whats the grand plan? Does it seem rational that the trans community will lead the democrats policy when that policy is in place to win elections? Has the ground work been laid to make this possible?
Will you even hear me out?
When your beleifs differ too much from mine then we can’t be allies, because those beleifs contradict.
If you can only be allies with people who think the same as you… Kinda sounds like what the Nazis believed dunnit.
Now I certainly don’t think you’re a Nazi or a fascist. But I also think you don’t actually believe what you just wrote.
Oh you don’t want to ally yourself with someone who thinks trans people deserve to be murdered? You’re just like a Nazi. I’m very intelligent.
Isn’t that hyperbole. I dont think Newsom has taken the stance trans people should be murdered. Ill check but the question going forward is how do I let everyone know youre not a serious person? Ill do some thinking about it but way to discredit yourself.
In this case, he’s an imperfect solution to the real problem, which is trump and his fascist cronies. Literally anyone who’s not down that road is better.
Is Gavin perfect? Fuck no. Not even a little.
But if it puts us in a better state than we are now, I’ll welcome it.
We need to get off this fucked up train the trump era nazis have sent us down before it gets even worse.
And it will.
Is he actually helping though? Or just sucking up press oxygen and adding to his own brand? What is the actual benefit of this performance?
The thing that will stop Trump is widespread public resistance. Not likely Newsom’s tweets or whatever is going on right now.
Not sure. Too early to tell. What I do know is that it’s a bit of a rallying cry right now for dems/progressives. Like Mamdani is. Ride the lightning, no matter the source at this point. We need to galvanize everyone against trump. It may take any form it wishes, and we need to get behind it if we want a shot at fixing this cesspit they’ve made.
TL;DR; He’s useful until he isn’t. Then we move on to the next thing. We need people aligned and fighting trump, whatever form that takes.
My concern is I live in California and he has not been a good or popular governor. While I appreciate any attempt to fight back against Trump, I think Newsom will make a bad president and this campaign is more about that than doing lasting damage to Trump.
Or just sucking up press oxygen and adding to his own brand?
Clearly not. He’s using someone else’s brand.
I doubt he’ll do better than any other Dem. He’s a weak choice in terms of winning elections.
Trump and his cronies were never the real problem, always a symptom of it. Capitalism is the problem, and Newsom is not going to fix that.
Well yeah, but they’re also a problem on their own, in the same way metastasized cancer is a problem compared to early stages cancer. If that makes sense.
My money is he’s a fetterman
These are the same assholes who watched Nancy Pelosi clap at Donald Trump and honestly thought that was a win.
Now they’re paying 30%-40% more to live, if they’re lucky, and just ignoring that the people they voted for enabled a genocide and man-made famine against kids.
Dude is just shit posting. Is this where you chose to make your grand stand?
Only shitposting (running for the 2028 Democratic primary after failing to woo the fascists). How dare we find a fascist reject distasteful.
Seems so.
Dems and their supporters love performative politics and then doing next-to-nothing of substance.
Honestly, what can they do in a time like this? Newsom is actively advocating they redraw california maps to counter trumps electoral maps in Texas? It almost makes me angry for you to say this about Newsom, NOW, when he is fighting. Its just befuddling. Tie their hands behind their backs and then demand they cook you dinner.
You want substance vote to give them power. You want to ignore the good things they do, you lie when you say you want substance.
LOL
We have concentration camps and fascist secret police wreaking havoc in this country and you honestly expect me to get excited about dank memes.
The only power Democrats had was to shut down the government, and they decided to become collaborators and give Donald what he wanted instead.
Name the reasons we have concentration camps and if your list starts with the DNC youre maladjusted.
Totally, I should just ignore the Dem’s active participation in our descent into fascism.
Because they’re Dems.
Mr. Picture Perfect Elite White Male, that will surely show them anti-establishment folks that the big profane orange billionaire isn’t the only game in town
Not everyone is out to thwart the establishment. We are a long way off that. Try, just try, to advocate for a national strike here on lemmy, which I would describe as left-center. Then watch how people twist themselves into knots to support the establishment.
You and me both sister
I know Trans people less certain about the issues you claim are throwing them under the bus than you are. They think Newsom has been perfectly reasonable on Trans matters. So do I. And if you’re going to use that wedge issue as an excuse to succumb to authoritarianism…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Perfectly reasonable? His position is literally the same as the far right’s
That sounds disingenuous and hyperbolic. How about we use specific examples in discussing this further? What exactly do you have a problem with? And are you aware of any policies he supports that do benefit the trans community? Or are you arguing there are none?
He literally did a whole podcast with Charlie Kirk explaining his hatred for us
Ok, thanks for that. I’ll watch the full interview and get back to you. If there are specific parts or timestamps of the interview you want to draw my attention to let me know, in the meantime I’ll open a tab and work my way through it.
Ok, finished watching the entire interview. Didn’t hear anything that would I would classify as a hatred for trans people. What part did you find hateful?
You don’t think banning transpeople from sports or forcing us to identify as our birth gender are hateful?
Where did Newsom support a policy of forcing people to identify as birth gender?
As for sports, you don’t think sports should be biologically separated by gender? Nor did he support a ban. His policy is to leave it up to the local governing bodies and communities that involve the people in question. It’s a FRACTION of a percentage point of people. That’s a very complex issue, and no I don’t think it’s hateful. If you think it’s coming from a place of hatred, I would definitely call that hyperbolic as I originally stated. I know trans people that understand sports are a more complex issue that involves fairness and biological advantages. Everything in life that doesn’t let you do whatever you want whenever you want is not the same as hatred and persecution. And this mentality is exactly the victim mentality that people are driving people towards the right.
Like by your metrics, I would be labeled as a transphobic hateful non ally, despite being a lifelong progressive voter with a trans gf all because I think you should make pragmatic voting decisions and understand that whether or not a fraction of a percentage of people can play some dumb games with a ball while they and far more people lose access to Medicaid.
This is exactly what people talk about when we say the left fights amongst itself, has no solidarity, no strategy. If you think trans sports affects trans people more than hundreds of billions being cut from healthcare, than hundreds of billions being redirected into a personal army that will hunt them, then I’m going to disagree.
Your fear is making you see everyone as an enemy, and if you want to get meaningful things done, it requires communicating and organizing with people, and communicating requires a bridging of minds. Not stubborn projection.
the worst part of this entire fascist regime is that people like gavin newsom can act like a good guy
The bar is low. Really low.
ah yes, the democratic party’s eternal slogan
I need to look at all the presidents stats now. Im almost positive a normal slightly above average person cannot do the job successfully.
Biden maybe except his “old” stat was maxed.
Jimmy Carter maybe but he couldn’t secure a second term. Not sure what all the factors are there.
Clinton? His perv stats were at unacceptable levels but he did make it through a second term.
Obama was maybe the most balanced president except racism.
You have to dig a while to find the bar.
Too bad it’s fash on fash politics. Newsom is total garbage. Anti-trans, Anti-housing, Anti-transit, Pro-capital, Steve Bannon homie…
Just another less than worthless lib. The reason we have Trump.
Do not split.
But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.
He’s not even nominated yet, at least save your “lesser evil” bullshit until there is an election. Until then we should demand “no evil”, not this prick
I don’t want him as president.
I don’t want Kamala Harris.
I don’t think you have to worry about that, lol.
i hope not.
Anti transit? You mean he’s anti the highspeed rail that he’s gotten pushback for every step of the way? I certainly don’t think he’s an angel but less than worthless is pretty far off the mark IMHO.
Let me guess. “both sides”
I hate that this works on your intended audience.
Can we please have the necessary wealth redistribution that’s a requirement to fix the vast majority of problems?
No? We can watch the two most powerful men in the world talk like angry babies at each other?
Ok…
Maybe next year, if we don’t boil alive
Yeah, we can have that, the day you decide to drop everything youre doing and fight.
