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Oh god, are we doing Reddit Atheism on Lemmy now? This sucks shit
What’s more annoying than a Reddit atheist? Paying taxes to support your shit church
I’m not Christian, and don’t go to church. I agree that churches shouldn’t get tax breaks.
I still think memes like this are deeply, achingly, cringe
Allah and God are the same god…
Leaving aside whether or not “allah” is just Arab for “god” and not their God’s actual name, and assuming that by God you mean JHWH from the Bible, they definitely aren’t the same God. JHWH has a son (Jesus Christ) and Muslims are quite definitive about Allah NOT having a son.
JHWH-s within christianity varies so ridiculously that it is virtually doltish to call it the same god
Islam started off judaism, so did Christianity and muslims hold the tenets of christianity sacred; only disagreeing on very few points like the trinity… Which again is also a massively disagreed point within christian branches…
Ah but if he’s omnipotent he can simultaneously have and not have a son.
You say that as though the type of person who makes posts like this respects religious people enough to investigate and find that out.
Why would knowing that matter when it’s all bullshit anyways. The Easter Bunny and Santa are actually the same person too!
Kinda absurd how many Americans expect arabic-speaking Christians to call God “God.”
It’s because they’re racist ¯_(ツ)_/¯
The spiderman scriptures have pictures, so I’m going with that one
Does this mean Spiderman counts as an illuminated manuscript?
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The Devil infamously appears in Spider-Man.
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The Devil is (mostly) canon in the Christian multiverse.
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I met Spider-Man at my 8 year old birthday party.
Conclusion: All 3 are real, or I’m not real. Advances in ontology necessary to say with certainty.
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why are internet atheists so embarrassing man… this is literally the same thing as showing a physics book and saying “proof that physics exists” thinking you made an excellent point.
I apologize if the point of this meme was not clear, this is not meant to make a good point, this is intended to be humorous for those that dislike the establishment that has harmed literally countless people over the course of history and want to make fun of them to ease the anger.
Thing about physics books, you can literally go and prove every single claim in them by yourself, if you have the required technical and intellectual capabilities.
That’s why they’re fundamentally different to the quran, the bible and Spiderman. Those three consist to a large extent of completely unfalsifiable claims.
that’s why it’s a stupid way to make the point. the image just says “they believe it because a book exists” which is not true.
also it’s one thing to not have respect for religion but you gotta respect the hyphen; it’s spider-man.
The image doesn’t say “they believe it because a book exists.”
The image says “they think the existence of the book is proof of its contents.”
no it doesn’t. because it wouldn’t make sense to add spider-man in that case.
You’re so close but still missing the point.
The spider-man comic is supposed to be the silly, unbelievable example. It’s not supposed to make sense. People don’t believe in spider-man just because there’s books about him, but they do believe in God/Allah for that reason. But that’s a silly reason to believe in anything. That much is obvious with spider-man, as you seem to understand. It’s less obvious with people’s dieties for some reason.
oh my god, it’s a baby’s analogy. you yourself are saying people don’t do this with this book but do it with that book. so it’s by definition a bad example. also, at first the argument was “the meme isn’t saying just because the book exists”, but now you say “they do believe (…) for that reason”.
this is what I mean by embarrassing. people can’t help but defend a dumb meme rather than admit it makes a bad point simply because it agrees with them is funnily enough very religious coded imo.
Let me try to rephrase the argument the meme makes and see if it clicks.
If the Bible is proof that God exists (as many Christians believe).
And the Quran is proof that god/Allah exists (as many Muslims believe).
Then spiderman comics are proof that Spider-man exists (which many Christians and Muslims disbelieve).
Either you believe all three are true, or you don’t believe the existence of the book makes it true.
No, the fact that people do it with some books and not others is the whole thing the meme is trying to point out. What’s embarrassing here is 1. you needing multiple people to explain that to you and 2. you getting this worked up over a meme.
Bible believers and quran believers actually do point at their books and claim they are proof of their religion. No spider-man (there, I added the hyphen for you) reader, religious or not, big comic nerd or not, would ever say the comic is proof of spider-man’s existence because of course that’s ridiculous. So adding spider-man to this meme does make a lot of sense - putting them in contrast, hoping to make people understand how illogical it is to treat certain man made works of fiction so completely differently than others.
You’re entirely right, yet also entirely missing the point.
The proof of Physics existing isn’t in the book, and no physicist would claim you take what’s in the book on faith, nor that it’s unquestionable, nor that other books on physics are lies, nor kill/lynch/shun people for studying the universe through other perspectives like chemistry or mathematics or biology.
Asked for proof of Physics, physicists make predictions that can be reliably reproduced, not telling you to read the Physics book harder.
Regardless, everyone is new sometime, why not provide links, a counter argument or anything useful rather than just deriding them? This way you mostly come off as an ass who doesn’t understand the argument.
It makes them feel euphoric
There is no Spider-Man but Spider-Man, whose truth was revealed to us by the prophet Stan Lee, blessings and peace be upon him
Isn’t it the same god in the first two as well?
Bunch of heathens following Ben Reilly /s
The problem is the theology doesn’t match, there is no common god of Christians, Jews, and Muslims because Christians believe Jesus is god and divine and neither of the others do meaning their god’s identity is different. Christians and Jews believe the Quran contains lies, Muslims and Jews believe the Christian bible contains lies, and Christians and Muslims believe the Jewish bible contains lies. Hell even within each there are sects that believe different things about god, like Christians who believe they are saved by being chosen, by faith alone, or by faith and works. These are unreconcilable differences that change based on their beliefs about their god.
Religions when formed usually branch from an existing religion (e.g. Christianity started as a Jewish apocalyptic cult, Mormon branches from that, etc), but change the theology enough so that the old clergy/church is no longer valid wrt the new faith position.
Jah
Pastor: With great power…
Congregation: comes great responsibility
This argument fails to account for how I feel. Reading Spiderman makes me want to be a better person.
You gotta wait a couple hundred years. It’s like making whiskey
Star trek: more real than any god
Its fine, we’re on our way back to that timeline; india is governed by nazi (not even neo) eugenics freaks and the us government is trying real hard for some bell riots.
I have a maintenance manual for a YT-1300 freighter, so I guess Star Wars is real too.
