I (24F) met a guy (37M) at a party half a year ago. He’s Japanese and I am an Indian living in Japan. We talked and exchanged socials but that was about it. After that we met in several other occasions, organized by mutual friends and a lot of times he invited me to various events too. I never really thought much about it because the age gap between us is insanely high.
A week ago he asked me if I am free and would like to go to a cafe with him. He didn’t say it was a date but i kinda think it was. This was our first opportunity to actually get to know more about each other’s personal life. I asked him about his job, he told me that he handles his parent’s real estate company and is quite rich. But he feels like his job is not very rewarding so he wants to go to abroad. I asked him if he is planning to get married so he said he feels it is still to early for him to get married. Then he asked me why i am not dating anybody yet. I told him i was too busy to date anyone but now that i have found a job, I will move to a new city and look for a suitable partner there. I am also planning to have a lot of children so I don’t want to delay it a lot. He said he also wants to have many children, but he didn’t seem bothered at all with his age being much higher than mine. Anyways, i think i made it pretty clear that i am only planning to look for a boyfriend in the city i am moving to, while he said he’s planning to stay closer to his family in this city and go abroad temporarily.
He still paid for everything that we ate and asked me out on a date again.
My question is, if he knows that I am leaving this city in two months and not planning to date anyone here, then is it safe to assume he asked me out again because he wants to sleep with me? I do not want to sleep with him, i am definitely physically attracted to him because he’s very handsome but i am a virgin and i want my first time to be with a long term partner atleast.
Is there any comfortable way to bring up this topic without making me sound like a narcissist who assumed a guy wants to sleep with her just because he asked her out🥲.
Please help me out
Pretty much everyone in this thread is being dumb. The solution to your problem is this: talk to him. Literally just pick up your phone right now and text him - “hey, when we went out for coffee, ummm… I feel awkward asking this, but, was that a date?” If he says no, apologise for assuming and continue enjoying his company as a friend. If he says yes, tell him you like him as a friend and appreciate his interest, but that you aren’t interested because you are moving to a different city.
Even with this, is sex that taboo? Can women not want to have sex before they leave a city? Or at all? I’m not talking about random sex, but even if for two months they hang out and have sex once or twice, so what. They’re adults.
I completely agree with this in the abstract. But OP has made it clear that she is sexually conservative and doesn’t want that, so I didn’t offer it as an option.
Apparently sex is somewhat taboo for this woman. Whatever.
Had a very similar situation with a Jamaican girl asking me out right before she moved. Made it known at work that I was hot for her, didn’t want to press the issue with a coworker.
She hit me up! Great date! Had sex and the next time she was in town we hit it off again. We talked a lot in between but I was a mess, not a long-term bet, she very nicely broke it off and I understood.
Is there any comfortable way to bring up this topic without making me sound like a narcissist who assumed a guy wants to sleep with her just because he asked her out🥲.
I’m less interested in knowing his motivation than I am in your motivation for saying yes and going out with him. Whatever is motivating you to go out with him, that is what you need to communicate, rather than just saying “I’m not going to sleep with you.”
He never explicitly mentioned it’s a date, I didn’t see a reason of saying no to meet as friends
There you go, if your reason for going out with him is to be friends, communicate that.
(If I’m being very honest, everything you wrote above gives me the impression you like him, so maybe sit with that and make some choices)
I don’t want to assume things, i thought it’s a date but I wasn’t sure. I have all reasons to believe it’s not a date unless he specifically mentions it. He only said if i am free on Saturday, let’s grab lunch
Also from your comment it seems you’re one of those people who think men and women cannot be platonically friends
No. You’re being a poor communicator. Here and with this man. A date not explicitly being called a date is very common, you have made assumptions with this, and seem to be pushing back on most folks saying you need to communicate better. Read the room and realize you’re inexperienced.
So should I just ask him directly that why is he asking me to hangout with him one on one? What are his intentions? Will he not be offended?
Yes. Clear communication is important.
Correct. He may react in any number of ways and you cannot control that. A normal healthy reaction will be an open conversation. They also might call you a bitch. They might react cool now only to try again in 2 weeks. This is part of dating unfortunately.
Very sad and bad situation
I don’t think that at all, I have great friends of both genders. My point is you need to communicate with him, because you came in here thinking it was probably a date and asking us whether he wanted to sleep with you.
I came here to get advice. Isn’t that what people do in such platforms? I have specifically asked in my post, how to bring up this topic with him without sounding like a narcissist who assumed he wants to sleep with me just because he asked me out for lunch.
if your reason for going out with him is to be friends, communicate that
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He never asked for a reason. Bringing it up myself out of nowhere would make him think I am narcissistic who assumed he’s in love with me. Or maybe I am just overthinking
Is there any comfortable way to bring up this topic without making me sound like a narcissist who assumed a guy wants to sleep with her just because he asked her out🥲.
I wouldn’t say you sound like a narcissist but this does sound immature. “He wants to sleep with you” and “he just wants to sleep with you” are two different things. It sounds to me that he likes you and wants to spend time with you, and maybe-probably also wants to sleep with you. Is that enough for you? It’s enough for some people, though obviously not for everyone. Either way, talk to him about it.
Might sound like a crazy take, but if you just make sure you (only) do what you want and are clear about your intentions towards him, you should be fine.
If you want to have a drink from some casual company until you leave - do that.
If you want some steamy sexy time for one night and then leave - again, do that.
If you really like the guy and might actually consider some sort of longer relationship - guess what, do that.
Just be clear and honest, towards him and yourself. That way he can decide what he wants from you.
And as all engineers know: assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups, so avoid those at all cost.
I totally understand your point!! But in the past, it has happened quite often with my Japanese friends that they assumed I am giving them hint that I want to sleep with them, only because I gave them a goodbye hug. All of these guys were closer to my age. But I do that to all of my friends from every nationality regardless of gender. I stopped doing that with any japanese friends tho, including this guy, I just shaked his hand and said goodbye.
I understand this makes you unsure, but I really think this would be a perfectly normal question to him: “Hey, I really enjoy your company, but I have noticed in the past with other Japanese friends that they sometimes have mistaken a hug for me asking for more. How do you see that?”
Especially with him being an older guy (which generally means a bit less insecure and more mature) I would expect this to be a good start for an honest conversation.
I hope it does work out the way you want!
yes.
He is probably just shy, him self on how to bring up this topic.
37M and 24F is not an unreasonable age difference for a long term relationship. Him being japanese I also assume he won’t spend that much time taking care of the kids which means him being old while they’re still teenagers is not an issue in his mind.
What is the relation between him being Japanese and spending time with his kids lol? I see Japanese men being very dedicated fathers, making sure to spend time with their kids and get involved in their life.
And 13 years age difference is massive for any type of relationship, it’s transcending generations technically
Worked 15 years for a Japanese company - never saw a single japanese colleague put family before work.
I work at a daycare, part time and talk with parents regularly about their child’s well being. The fathers are as aware about what’s going on with their children as the mother
Are the fathers or the mothers the ones to leave and pick up?
Some kids fathers and some kids mothers
Are you LARPing?
The time spent on housework and child care by Japanese men is at the lowest level on a global basis.
Page 12: https://www.gender.go.jp/english_contents/pr_act/pub/pamphlet/women-and-men20/pdf/1-4.pdf
Why would I lie? I have no benefit in portraying Japanese men as good fathers lol. I just told you what I noticed
I am not familiar with either culture, but I’d guess that he does.
and asked me out on a date again
Was this specifically described as a date? If so, I’d suggest that this is the way in to politely raise this. In fact even if it was ambiguous, it still is the way to do it: “Just so that we are both clear, although I enjoyed meeting you the other night, I don’t want to take things any further than these casual meetings.” or similar. I’m assuming that you did enjoy it - or you wouldn’t be considering another one.
You could restate that you will soon be moving (people can be incredibly selective about what they take in and what they don’t) if you want to - although you shouldn’t need to give a reason if you don’t want to.
I’m not certain you provided any signs that he viewed it as a date or even that he liked you. I’m not sure you characterized any motivation on his part that made me think he was into you, except for that part of your conversation was around marriage and it read like you brought that up not him which I guess would be a signal that material was on their mind (but that’s irrelevant if you brought it up I’d say).
I generally assume all men want to sleep with all women regardless of any other concept or notion, simply because sex is fun and men in my experience seem on average far more willing to do that with just about anyone. That’s not really true, and it’s not really a fair assumption, but I don’t think it causes harm if you don’t act irrationally on it.
It sounds like he:
- likes talking to you because he invited you on two outings (both of which you assumed were dates)
- is rich and therefore when he pays for the food it lessens the implication that it’s a date (although I think that’s fair to keep in mind. To provide a counter example, I pay for friends meals semi-frequently and have always paid for every 1v1 meal with a woman (and most of the men 1v1s among peers or younger) as a thank you for the company. This is not attached to romantic or sexual expectations or desires, it’s just how I was raised and have decided to maintain that practice because I like it).
- is attractive (by your own admission)
I’m not certain I can gleam any more information about him out of your text.
Did he only want to talk to you about relationships and physicality? Was he physically distant or was he escalating touches? Did you catch him giving you signals like checking you out or anything else that might point to a purely carnal thinking?
Otherwise I’d say right now, it’s safe to assume he wants to have sex with you. It’s also probably unfair to assume that’s all he wants and doubly unfair to assume that that’s his motive for hanging out with you.
I believe men and women can have platonic relationships, which I think based on some comments you made in this thread you also believe.
So I’d recommend a couple possibilities:
- Your gut says he just wants to sleep with you, it’s heavy on your mind, or you just like being very communicative. In this case, communicate clearly and honestly something like “hey, just to get this off my chest I’m enjoying our conversations and 1v1s but as I explain to all men early on, I’m not interested in dating or anything physical right now. If that’s why you wanted to hangout, I understand and you’ve done nothing wrong, but that’s not why I was enjoying hanging out. If that’s not what you were looking for, and you’re okay with just being platonic friends, I can’t wait for our 1v1.”
- If you don’t think he was actually pursuing you, you feel like he was pretty normal hanging out with you, or you just don’t want to broach this subject until you’re certain you both have misaligned intentions I’d recommend continuing as normal, and mentally defining your boundaries while preparing to communicate them when you need to. This would look like (as a random kinda silly example) “he grabs your shoulder once while telling a story or something”, maybe no big deal for you and you move along, “he grabs your shoulder constantly and it’s now abnormal behavior”, you tell him you don’t like this and ask them to stop and then clarify your intentions with him (probably after that event/gathering).
Please know this is coming from a man’s perspective and it’s as brief as I could make it. Please consider the normal woman wisdom (even if it sucks that it’s required) that you should focus on your immediate physical safety first and emotional/mental safety next at all times. If you get the feeling that clear communication would put you in danger, don’t do it until you’re safe.
Thank you very much for providing such a detailed and thorough explanation using your own insights as a man !😊😊
To answer your question, he maintained his physical boundaries with me in the entire duration. And after the hangout was over, he told me that my eyes looked beautiful today, he wants to hangout with me again. On the same day he asked if I am done with work and I told him I am very tired after coming back so he said he would have given me a shoulder massager if I was with him at the moment. So I only said I appreciate it.
After that we haven’t exchanged any text messages
I would have taken the eye compliment as a yellow flag and appreciated it as a genuine compliment with no ulterior motives. I think the shoulder massage offer is where I’d draw the line and say, yes that’s clearly someone looking to escalate things physically with you rather quickly.
At least in my culture that would be seen as strange between acquaintances and still pretty strange between friends. I don’t think Japan is different in this regard so I would recommend clarifying your intentions sooner rather than later.
You originally brought up your virginity and your long term desires for sharing that with a long term partner. I would not bring that up with anyone you didn’t want to convince you out of that belief. That might not be anyone’s individual intention but that’s the worst case scenario so you should consider it. That means telling a best friend is probably great and would be recommended. Telling an acquaintance or a friend who is also sexually attracted to you - and therefore may not be the best councilor to you for purely your benefit - would probably be an unwise thing to do. Unless of course you want them to convince you out of that belief so that you can more casually have sex, which is fine as long as you’re being honest with yourself on who is really responsible for that change.
I am pretty sure about the sex part and I don’t have any desires to do it with him even if I find him attractive. I would only feel aroused if I have romantic feelings for him so I don’t think he can change that
Then you know what to do, what to be clear about, and what topics to avoid. I wish you luck.
Thank you 😊 you’re very kind
This age gap fails the check for me
37 / 2 = 18.5, 18.5 + 7 = 25.5
If someone that old who can’t get someone around his age, but is suddenly interested in younger people… That’s just someone preying on naivety.
Its not crazy to wonder if he wants to have a relationship even though it can only last two months. You can ask him if he considered that a date. If he says yes then you can tell him what kind of relationship you are looking for and that it wont work for you.
Is it okay to call it a relationship if it’s only two months? Wouldn’t it be like some fwb thing right?
Depends on how much time you spend together, on how possible it is that you don’t move/he moves, if it turns into a long range thing, the vibes. It’s just labels anyway.
But I am talking from a European POV. In your culture things may be different.
Yes Asian culture is very different from European
Eh if 2 people enjoy each other’s company I think that’s all that matters, I knew people who dated during just a summer program when it was only 2 months. Depends how well you think you’d handle it or if you’re worried you might get too attached.
I have anxious attachment problem so I don’t get into relationships until I am absolutely sure
It’s funny how people are not able to grasp why OP is concerned to be perceived as such, cultural differences I guess.
Just be safe OP, japan stalking ke liye bahut famous hai.
Thank you🥺
You work in IT?
Yeah pretty safe assumption
Don’t even need to read the story: the answer is yes. Obviously. He’s a man.
For men, they often can’t love a woman unless they have sex with them first. For women, they often can’t have sex with a man unless they love them first. There are exceptions to every rule, but in my experience, this is more often than not the truth.
Nah, for guys, love and sex simply aren’t connected early on.
I thought that’s what I said but yeah.
I am saying sex need not occur before love because they aren’t connected.
Knowing full well you are leaving to find a man in another town, you accepted another man’s request for a date and now you want it to be platonic?
Tell me no woman talks to you without telling me no woman talks to you
That’s not a no.
Former relationship and sexual therapist here. (Disclaimer: Not your therapist, haven’t practiced in 15 years and my post graduation practice experience is limited)
First and foremost: My view is very “Western” - a central European one to be more exact. I intentionally do not try to include cultural differences here as I simply can’t get that right & would find it offensive to only get that “50% correct”.
Just a few thoughts:
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The age gap between you two is 13 years. That is far from insanely high. While generally the life situations and life experiences tend to differ more massively from 15 years difference and above it’s not a thing that stands in a way of a loving and meaningful relationship. I would not recommend to rule out partners just by an age difference (of course with the caveat of everyone being a mature adult but that doesn’t apply to your situation here)
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I personally hate the notion of categorising meeting a partner into “dates”. For example: I had colleagues that met every day for a coffee break for a year, went to lunch (always with other people present) for ages and then moved in together. Formally they never were on a date. (Nowadays they are married with children) So personally I wouldn’t worry if it is a date or not. (But if you force me to decide I would consider it one)
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To be honest: The way you describe what you said raises a lot of red flags towards a potential partner - please try to see the same conversation with switched roles: Imagine you want to meet someone and get to know them. Then they tell you right away they “need” someone they can marry in a short time and want a lot of kids. While I am all for telling people about life plans early on it is something different on a first encounter and can often be perceived negatively.
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That he does not feel ready to get married is more understandable from my point of view - it’s often hard for some people to imagine themselves in a marriage/commitment when they don’t know the other side of the “contract” yet. I sometimes used the analogy of buying a car: “Imagine signing a contract to buy a car. Some people need to see the exact car they are gonna buy in front of them. Others are happy to buy it from the dealers catalogue.”
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I think mentally"checking" boxes is an issue here: Don’t get me wrong, it’s something I have often encountered, especially in wZoman. People often tend to “paint a picture” of their dream partnership inside their head, often from a very young age, often influenced by media, stereotypes and cultural norms. (In women in western cultures it often “had to be” the partner who makes himself “worthy” by a grand romantic gesture, etc.) This often leads to people mentally checking “boxes” - a trend you often can observe on social media. We all know the stereotypical “needs to be over x cm, has to earn at least x, etc.” posts - and is something that is somewhat more prevalent in professionals with a high qualification m, but unlike the classical Social media meme these tend to do it in a more subconscious way. To give you another example: I once had a client who met a man at a social work gathering and ended up in an “occasional” casual sex situation with him. She was devastated at some point - the guy was according to her fantastic in bed, really nice and caring, had a stable social life and very obviously liked her a lot and would have loved to take things further. But she had the criteria “none from the same field as mine” and “none shorter than me” in her head and pushed him away so often that it ruined what they had.
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Generally: Life plans change. Fast. Incredibly fast. And you will be constantly reorganising your life plans all your life,I promise. Because we simply don’t know how things turn out. Imagine the following:You keep on meeting, because two months are two months. He turns out to be “the love of your life”(professionally I have to add that this doesn’t exist - we can find multiple love of our lives, even at the same time). Would you reconsider moving then? Or maybe he would reconsider moving? Or maybe you would keep things alive with a long distance relationship while you make things work in a totally different location?
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In terms of sexuality: As written above, this is from a Central European point of view, but: There is a mountain of scientific evidence that “waiting for marriage/the “marriage ready” long term partner to initiate sexual activity” is a bad idea - for woman. Why? There are multiple reasons: Sexuality is a very primal activity. We all know the countless reports of women who are not getting the attention and care they deserve in bed from their partners - and often the same partner is “loving” outside sexual activity. But: Besides that being literally unsatisfying and building resentment, there is also some evidence that these unbalanced relationships tend to become “unbalanced” outside the bedroom as well over time. Basically the “bedroom” infects the rest of the “house”. Furthermore sexual activity must (and this is an underlined must) be compatible. Every human has a scale of sexual needs that is somewhere between 0 and infinity. While it’s often the easiest for couples that have roughly the same amount of sexual needs and enjoy similar activities these positions change over time - life finds a way (especially with children) to fuck with hormons,minds,etc. But a successful relationship must find a way to deal with that. I had a asexual client whose wife had a very high libido. They made it work (by opening up their relationship). I had couples who both had a high libido but hers changed after pregnancy. (A classic). The thing is: They knew where they were standing. Last but not least(I don’t believe this point applies to you,btw): There is always the danger - for both sides- that attraction is mistaken for love. We see a lot of couples worldwide who marry in similar circumstances just because they are attracted to each other,not because they love each other - but discerning love and bodily attraction is really hard at times, especially when it’s "your first time). (Anecdotal: My indian friends have been married for 35 years, lived in 6 countries and have 3 kids and she once told me:“Well, we proposed each other to our parents, mainly,well, quite blantly, we wanted to do naked stuff. Luckily once that lost it’s initial appeal we learned that we also love each other. Pew, that could have ended catastrophic!”)
Does that mean I recommend you go out there and sleep with him or someone else right away? No! (Triple underlined and in thick letters!) But there is a big range of things between "not doing anything " and “full on PIV sex” and I will repeat what I always told my clients: “If everyone is consenting, an adult, not intoxicated, in a safe place and it feels right: Keep society and social norms outside your bedroom.” But please, please don’t marry someone before you had at least some sexual experience with this person.
So would he like to sleep with you? I would say: Yes. And that’s not a bad thing: I went on countless dates in my time with both man and woman. And not once did I not want to sleep with the person I was in a date. But was that a condition right away? No. But sexuality and bodily attraction is part of a relationship and of course it plays a part whose interesting and whose not.
So. What’s my advice in the end? Get a second date. See where that’s going. Be open. Try to think out of the box. You have literally nothing to lose. If it ends up leading nowhere: Well,you had a few nice hours, didn’t you? Isn’t that a good thing? If it becomes the grand love that one of you will topple his life plans for? Well cool. And if it ends right away? Well,bugger,but no harm was done.
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