Some notes based on frequent comments:
- Not my petition, I’m just sharing it.
- I don’t live in the USA.
- You can sign a petition and call them to complain. The numbers are downthread.
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I shall be doin that too!
Spam e-mail? Its On its way
email is easily instantly and trivially ignored
Fuck, uuuuuuh phone calls?
Name one change.org petition that accomplished anything except giving change.org a valuable email list to spam and sell.
One-tap dial phone numbers:
Master card
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US + Can English
(skips card number input)
Visa
PayPal
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US English
Say “make a complaint”
Stripe (unconfirmed)
Script:
I’m calling to urge [company name] to immediately end the policy that unfairly targets the adult content industry. I’m also asking that [company name] sit down with stakeholders- specifically sex workers and adult content creators- to develop solutions that ensure equitable access to financial services, create stability, and reduce harm for sex workers.
Instead of “sex workers” wouldnt “adult content creators” be more palatable?
Maybe so! Mentioning that human rights are at stake can be more impactful, but also risks turning off potential supporters, so idk
I feel like “adult content creators” covers all genres. Games or porn.
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Don’t waste your time with change.org. Call your CC company directly and complain. Not email. Call.
No, you need to do all three.
Change.org and email can be ignored automatically. Calling them costs them call center money.
Except the change.org gets media attention. Proven by the fact that we’re talking in this thread right now. Emails must be at least a little effective considering that’s one of the methods that Collective Shout group used to put pressure on these companies in the first place. Along with public displays of course which goes back to the petition point. So again, I say again you should do all three.
If you really want to sign the petition, fine. Just call them before doing that.
Well yes, that’s what I’m advocating, doing all of them. Though frankly I’d say write your email and sign the petition while you’re on hold, probably more efficient that way.
Petition?
No, no, they should be legally enforced to do so.
I feel like this should be an official EU petition like Stop Killing Games as well. Have lawmakers actually tell payment processors that they have no right to deny legal transactions (not just fictional content, but any legal transaction).
I wonder if the real reason credit card companies have been responsive to these groups is the potential for lawsuits that drag payment processors into them, which is a result of various shitty laws that have been passed to generally empower these sorts of regressive trolls to do so. If so petitions from the other side might not be as effective, because they can be sued for providing services to the wrong people but not so much for cutting off service, and there’s not much actual risk to them even if a lot of people are mad about the latter.
Not enough, We need to actively seek out & destroy the fascists (CS in this case). Document those individuals & prevent them from getting a job, EVER. They use children as human shields, while violating them. (They support Cuties & Germaine Greer)
I wonder if VISA and Mastercard could be regulated in the EU as gatekeepers in the DMA
Or just use Gnu Taler instead and encourage others to use it as well. We only need 3.5% of the population to use it and then it’ll become a universal option that will break Visa’s fucking business model’s back and kill Visa.
If taler uses the same banking systems as visa and mastercard, they can be pressured the same way. It sounds like taler shifts even more responsibility to the merchants and they would still comply with KYC which means you can expect stuff like submitting an ID scan for “Verification” in order to comply with laws.
I do hope it takes off, because fuck visa and mastercard, but im not gonna get my hopes up.
Well countries tend to hate alternative currencies and for extremely good reasons. As once a nation stops having control over their own currency; it very quickly can stop being a country.
Taler isn’t a general payment solution, it’s designed so that separate entities can have their own way to handle small transactions. For example, you attend a conference and deposit some cash into the event, and then you go and use those tokens to exhange for various stuff at the event, and the event organizers settle up with merchants after the event.
Rolling this out on a more global scale mea a you’d need some major institution, like a bank, to back the currency and handle settling up. AFAIK, this hasn’t happened anywhere and isn’t likely to happen because banks already have a system that works that requires far less effort: credit and debit cards.
We already have a solution here that has some market presence, and it’s cryptocurrency. Get some Monero and you can go buy stuff today without those transactions being public. The fees are minimal, transactions are fast, and merchants exist. The main issue is the negative public perception of cryptocurrencies, which is mostly due to speculation and bad actors running scams, but there are solid, proven currencies that can be useful as a cash alternative.
