100% disagree. The best shows I’ve seen would include for example Sopranos, The Wire, Veep, Archer, Mr Inbetween, Battlestar Galactica or Succession. All are the best because they are good from the first to the last episode and often evolve in unexpected ways. What you’re thinking about are mediocre TV shows that start without good idea of what they are trying to do and pivot after couple of episodes. Those are not good shows in my opinion. They might become watchable with time but never become great. There’s enough great shows out there not to waste time on watchable ones. The idea that there are only shows that put all effort into beginning and shows that get better with time is just silly. Shows like that definitely exists but there are many shows that are just great (or bad, or mediocre) throughout.
On the contrary, they’re considered the best of what TV has to offer. Breaking Bad, Star Trek TNG, DS9, The Office, Parks & Rec, The Expanse, The Wire, All have rough or slow starts that famously take at least several episodes to get going lol.
Except for The Wire (which doesn’t have bad episodes) I didn’t like any of those shows (TNG is decent). It’s a matter of taste. Most people like different shows than I do. I’ve seen most of those shows till the end and for me they turn mediocre pretty fast. I know what types of shows I like and I really don’t have to watch whole seasons to find out if I will enjoy the show or not. I’m not missing any great shows because for me great shows start strong.
From your list I’m judging you like shows that are popular. Many shows react to feedback from the audience and pivot after couple of episodes. For you those shows ‘start slow’. For the the first, original episodes are the best. Once they turn into shows and all the other I lost interest.
They’re not shows I like they’re just widely considered some of the best TV shows ever made. Including The Wire which very famously takes a few episodes to get going. You also mentioned you like Archer which as we all know fell apart in later seasons so clearly you aren’t that concerned about consistent quality.
It sounds like you just aren’t a fan of good TV and have very niche tastes which is OK too.
Fair point. I’m definitely not a fan of what is widely considered good TV. I mostly dislike the shows are are considered “the best” like Breaking Bad or The Bear. Maybe it is specific to the types of shows I like but really good shows start strong because they are original and then keep instead of pivoting to the more common tastes.
(the last 1-2 seasons of Archer were not great but hey, they made amazing show for like 10 years straight. that’s still great in my book).
Archer takes a huge nose-dive in quality, though. I found season 9 (Danger Island) practically unwatchable, as if they’d fired all their writers and hired a new team from temu, and haven’t been able to continue to the end. (I felt bad for the voice actors, because they still bring it like always)
I liked it almost till the very end. Last two seasons are not that good. But as I said in another comment. It had a very long run and there’s still a great show in there.
100% disagree. The best shows I’ve seen would include for example Sopranos, The Wire, Veep, Archer, Mr Inbetween, Battlestar Galactica or Succession. All are the best because they are good from the first to the last episode and often evolve in unexpected ways. What you’re thinking about are mediocre TV shows that start without good idea of what they are trying to do and pivot after couple of episodes. Those are not good shows in my opinion. They might become watchable with time but never become great. There’s enough great shows out there not to waste time on watchable ones. The idea that there are only shows that put all effort into beginning and shows that get better with time is just silly. Shows like that definitely exists but there are many shows that are just great (or bad, or mediocre) throughout.
On the contrary, they’re considered the best of what TV has to offer. Breaking Bad, Star Trek TNG, DS9, The Office, Parks & Rec, The Expanse, The Wire, All have rough or slow starts that famously take at least several episodes to get going lol.
Except for The Wire (which doesn’t have bad episodes) I didn’t like any of those shows (TNG is decent). It’s a matter of taste. Most people like different shows than I do. I’ve seen most of those shows till the end and for me they turn mediocre pretty fast. I know what types of shows I like and I really don’t have to watch whole seasons to find out if I will enjoy the show or not. I’m not missing any great shows because for me great shows start strong.
From your list I’m judging you like shows that are popular. Many shows react to feedback from the audience and pivot after couple of episodes. For you those shows ‘start slow’. For the the first, original episodes are the best. Once they turn into shows and all the other I lost interest.
They’re not shows I like they’re just widely considered some of the best TV shows ever made. Including The Wire which very famously takes a few episodes to get going. You also mentioned you like Archer which as we all know fell apart in later seasons so clearly you aren’t that concerned about consistent quality.
It sounds like you just aren’t a fan of good TV and have very niche tastes which is OK too.
Fair point. I’m definitely not a fan of what is widely considered good TV. I mostly dislike the shows are are considered “the best” like Breaking Bad or The Bear. Maybe it is specific to the types of shows I like but really good shows start strong because they are original and then keep instead of pivoting to the more common tastes.
(the last 1-2 seasons of Archer were not great but hey, they made amazing show for like 10 years straight. that’s still great in my book).
I had to watch the Wire’s first episode 3 separate times before I had any motivation to continue on with it
Archer takes a huge nose-dive in quality, though. I found season 9 (Danger Island) practically unwatchable, as if they’d fired all their writers and hired a new team from temu, and haven’t been able to continue to the end. (I felt bad for the voice actors, because they still bring it like always)
I liked it almost till the very end. Last two seasons are not that good. But as I said in another comment. It had a very long run and there’s still a great show in there.