I guess to be fair, Kagi does have two different AI components. They have their Kagi Assistant which is your bog standard AI chat interface, which does cost extra and is displayed in the details page you are talking about.

But they also have Quick Answer which is like the google AI overview that appears when you make a search. It will summarize the results for you. It auto triggers when you end your search with a ? or if you click the Quick Answer button. It can be disabled. However it does not get charged extra for, it is part of your subscription.

So its kind of both.

That would only be if they charged you more on top of your subscription for the AI usage. If they send part of your sub to the AI company, and don’t reduce your usage of their non AI features, then really it’s just other people not using AI who are subsidizing the chunk kagi lost to the AI company.

If it were truly fungible they wouldn’t be providing subscriptions and it would all be usage based. Subscriptions just allow the users that don’t search as often to subsidize the power users, making Kagi come out ahead overall.

I went the synapse route at the start, mainly because I didnt know about all the other ones, but it has worked pretty well. I have been interested in experimenting with others and just seeing how they work though

Interesting… I wonder if they fixed those issues since then, or if the matrix.org homeserver has more issues from their massive user count. Or I could have just been lucky with a small sample size haha

I’m curious what issues you guys had. I setup my own homeserver via synapse with livekit earlier this year when discord started all this shit, and two of my friends joined me. We are all technical people and its honestly been flawless since the start for us. Chat, voice, video, and screen sharing has worked perfectly

Not the OP, but also use Matrix with Sable. I think Cinny was forked because some people wanted to add more features and change the UI direction, but the main project didn’t want to.

Coming from discord, Sable feels much more familiar than for example Element

MatrixRTC is part of the Matrix protocol these days, so if the client is compliant, it should work on any server setup for it. I use synapse and livekit, and it works great. Its all just one docker compose stack

I was using element mostly, but recently switched to Sable. There are a few more that also support voice and video I believe

Yup same here. Left all servers, messaged the handful of people I chatted with there that I’m leaving and to add me on Matrix if they want to keep in touch, then uninstalled.

I setup my own Matrix homeserver back when discord announced the global age stuff earlier this year, and its been rock solid since then with the couple friends that also weren’t happy with discord. With it being proven reliable for many months now, I don’t really need discord for anything

That is definitely not normal, I had my z fold 5 for 2 years and I would say I’m a power user, unfolding it at least 10 or 20 times at minimum per day, and nothing on the phone wore out

You seem to not understand something here. Even if we take your points at face value, which they are quite off, but regardless, lets jump back a few more years to the computer / phones / the calculator. People were saying the same thing about being able to do complex or even basic math. Guess what? I haven’t needed the ability to do any of that Math in my head for atleast 20 years now. “You wont always have a calculator!” yes, I have always had one since then.

Its the same with most of your points, you’re afraid that people will forget how to code? If the LLMs can do the coding in your place well enough for you to forget it, obviously it can do well enough to where you can shift your focus and skill set to something else that works alongside the LLMs.

If you were actually in the professional world where people are using and learning alongside these new tools, you wouldn’t be so dismissive about it.

You are either ignorant or lying. There are many positive points with AI. Just because the negatives outweigh the positives for you doesn’t mean it “literally” doesn’t have a single positive point.

Another good option is Arcane. Its project structure gives you a good place to put bind mounts which you can edit the contents of in app (like configs and such). It’s pretty handy. I am in the process of switching to it from komodo for all of my stacks

Nah not everyone

lol, yeah that tends to happen when someone comes around claiming to understand what is happening yet displays the contrary. Good luck out there

Competitors still exist chief, it is not an effective monopoly yet.

Legal monopoly, no, effective, yes. The US government has even sued them to that effect, alleging they have been using anti-competitor and unfair strategies to maintain its monopolistic power. It may not technically / legally yet be a monopoly, but that is not what an effective monopoly is.

Also yes I do feel you are not educated enough on the matter, as your example clearly shows. It is not “oh no, they know I am out of toilet paper” it is more about “they have location tracking, search habits, purchase history, and more, and now they model predictive algorithms on what variables they need to push to influence you in a specific way”. They can extrapolate that some advertisement on your route caused you to speak about X, and the online ad Y afterward pushed you to searching the web for Z, which comes up with specific products or messaging they want you seeing. Now imagine all this data at scale with billions of people and billions of dollars of compute to crunch massive amounts of patterns they can use to push you and others.

It doesn’t have to only be about purchases either, this same information can be used to get some political message in front of you, as well as misinformation that you may never properly vet the truth of to sway your decision making over tens, hundreds, thousands or more instances of this.

You can hide behind “But I have autonomy!” all you want, if it didn’t work for them they wouldn’t be doing it. You will never free yourself of it completely, but why not start reducing your data footprint by not letting your TV record your conversations and viewing habits? Every little snip of their web reduces your vulnerability to it, even if only a little.

But yes, I do agree with your last point. Not really part of this conversation though.

If they increase their prices they will lose to their competitors?

What competitors? Shopping is nearly an effective monopoly. People just don’t go elsewhere to check for better prices anymore, amazon is too convenient.

They can sway an opinion with or without tracking people, you seem to be taking away peoples autonomy on this point.

And you seem to be ignoring how predictable the human brain is. There are reasons people consider all these algorithms to be evil, they take advantage of emotional weaknesses to influence people to do things they normally wouldn’t have. Saying it has always been that way doesn’t make this more effective way any less of a problem. With all this personal information being harvested, these companies can ramp up the manipulation and sell it to the highest bidder. That information is something worth hiding so you can still interact with the world and be targeted a bit less.

You folks aren’t special enough to be this paranoid about targeted ads

You dont need to be special lol. They are targeting everyone all at once. I really suggest to read into the situation a bit more as you seem to underestimate the scope of this issue.

AI is Evil -> Irresponsible AI use is Evil AI destroys the environment -> Irresponsible AI use is destroying the environment

All it really takes imo is a small adjustment of words to change your stance from looking like zealotry to actual concern for the issues. I also think these sidetracks are important, to be fair. Otherwise we wouldn’t have had this conversation to deepen our understanding of the issues.

I would be more than willing to agree if the message was “Frontier AI labs are causing massive harm to the environment by facilitating irresponsible use of AI” rather than “AI is evil, fuck you for using it” (not saying those are your words, just getting my point across lol)

Then why did you say they were leftist?

As for the layoff blame, just because I say I like hamburgers doesn’t mean I hate hotdogs. Layoffs can be happening from both those things, and just because people are acknowledging one source doesn’t mean they are helping the other source…

You are right, it is a false equivalence, the stranger standing there isn’t automatically processing, tagging, then sending off the data to thousands of customers so those customers can increase your prices for things they know you’ll buy anyways, use the data to flood your algorithmic feeds with something that will actually sway your opinions their way… But yeah… You have nothing to hide right?

He doesn’t care for misguided opinions not backed with anything but emotion. The people he is talking about don’t actually look into the issues and fight those, their mind is set that AI is evil and you are too for any usage of it, without actually understanding anything about the situation.

There are situations where using AI uses less power than traditional methods, there are situations where the power is clean, hell there are even models getting made that don’t use stolen data. Some people use it more responsibly (use tiny models where possible) while some toss everything at whatever new Fable or Opus is available.

There are levels of AI usage and their blanket statements with no understanding are annoying because it alienates the people that are responsible with their usage.