Plato’s • Philosopher Kings

I’ve tried to explain it to others but like you they swore at me, took my arguments out of context or proportion or used propaganda to negate my point.

Even amongst socialists you will find little proponents for Philosopher Kings.

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Thanks to this eloquent statement you fulfill the definition of Tankie and I’ll be blocking you, any other tankies please block me too.

I’m talking about reform of the definition or the method to reach socialism. Like the difference of methods between Rosa Luxemburg, Lenin, Mao, Eduard Bernstein.

I am, currently the quotations of Mao, and to be honest it sounded great until he explained that his definition of democracy was not mine or most people’s in current day.

As a dutch citizen with a parliamentary voting system (not FPTP barbarism) it seems to me deeply egotistical and frightening to read his definition:

1. The fact that the proletariat revolution prevailed means that the following state body is inherently democratic: this ignores that you need a small minority of well armed people for a revolution compared to a majority vote
2. That using Marx’s democratic centrism as democracy ignoring the obvious corruptible methods defended by his other notes: of unity through punishment for those against him.

Copyparty is not that known I guess.

Next you’ll tell me Robert Owen is not a socialist, or that reform can not happen with socialism.

healthier

I love baking biscuits but is a good gateway to moving to baking bread… and space cake.

Counter: Bars should have taxes lifted on the first round of beverages purchased in bars. And increased taxes for alcohol purchased in shops. And maximum music dB enforced.

In the current time of AI, music by bands should be required.

Social drinking should be promoted to counter loneliness.

When you colour 80% of all bike lanes orange the defence that a driver didn’t know it was a bike lane becomes moot.

I’m not talking about trust, I mean two enclosed single bicycle lanes that merge at a bicycle crossing before entering an enclosed 2 way bicycle lane.

The dutch solved this by colouring the bike lane orange. Yes occasionally we add bollards but the entrances to 2 lanes often end/start in protected intersections

Nice try Peter Thiel you ain’t getting my birth year that easily.

This is news to me that the meat industry isn’t already owned by billionaires.

Thanks yes this seems to be a mistake, reading more into history I’ve even found that the push for better working conditions has come from elected social democrats and political union parties (1906 in the Netherlands) long before the Russian revolution.

I take it you haven’t seen my red rose profile picture 😉

But no not as literature, I thought I’d get the foundation of Marx but took a detour on Mao do you have any recommendations?

Thanks ❤️

Yeah it would definitely help to know who downvoted or upvoted some blatantly heinous comments.

Having now been fodder to a couple of the 50c army I’m now much less inclined towards the label of Socialism so I’m not sure for the overall motives other than Cult purity.

I’ll be looking for a mbin or piefed instance now 👋

https://rdctd.pro/defense-against-cult-control-tactics/

Yes context matters and that’s indeed why I’m so puzzled for the current backing of Russian, Chinese North Korean autocrats. And the perl clutching of Leninist beliefs that Trotskyism and more democratic values are self defeating. It is Plato all over again.

Meanwhile the material conditions are completely different (even for the *.ml professional revolutionaries /j) the proletariat in more democratic countries have a stronger influence on policy than since the tsar and emperor, while mechanical barriers to reform through revolution have strengthened considerably.

Great then you would remember the blatant lies he drivels about needing an interim autocracy for a short period to transform to communism where the proletariat have ownership… oh but wait jinx we still need an overseer to fight off any imperialist attacks. The entire theory relies on the same logic of kings.

Then you have the heinous bloodlust of the killing off the bourgeois, I mean he puts it in nicer terms: saying that people of a certain capitalistic idealism must be punished and removed and that the bourgeois will stab you in the back if you make him a pauper and give him a penny. As if the bourgeois are a different race and must be eradicated.

But the proletariat will definitely have thier communist democracy just under the confines of what I want. It’s using the bait of democracy to reel in a bad kings replacement.

Yes

Have you read the Red Book?

That’s something I actually like about .ml it allows me to find literature on important current topics without the capitalist mindset, that’s so hard to come by. On the other hand the blind following of concepts like Lenin’s democratic centralism and Mao’s defence of state oppression, makes it difficult to convince with, along with the silent support for capitalist autocracies like the Kremlin and Xi.

I’m currently reading the Red Book from Mao and there some parts that are needlessly dangerous that use crusaders logic to defend atrocities for a promised future.

Public ownership of production: isn’t that advocacy for public sector like public transport, state run utilities, stronger backing of unions.