Two state is simply a fantasy. We’re going to have one state, but this could take two paths:
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full unification and equality, access to religious sites, free movement, etc for all Jewish and Palestinian residents of Israel, including the territories.
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annihilation of one side, resulting in a single state
Guess which one I’d prefer and which one we’re heading for.
And you’re feeling like we should call it Israel?
According to Carney, you’re an antisemite for even suggestion #1.
So that shows you where this 2SS is heading.
I’m perfectly fine shrugging off rocks thrown by someone whose position is that they need a pure ethnostate. To me, that’s an entirely unacceptable POV to have in 2026 which is why they need to dress it up in dramatic accusations of antisemitism. It can’t stand on any basic merits.
100% agree. And also agree that 1 secular and Democratic state with restitution for the victims of what is essentially a decades long holocaust is the only viable path forward.
Carney basically said that Palestinians need to get along and live under a Zionist state. So his mindset doesn’t even register apartheid ethnostate status yet.
And those are the proponents for the 2SS today.
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There is no two state solution. Its one apartheid state that is committing genocide against its people and should be putin its place for doing so.
putin its place
Israel: “Okay there’s a Palestine. We declare war on Palestine. Oh look, our army’s already there. How convenient. We have annexed Palestine. They’re part of Israel now. You’re welcome.”
That will never* happen, Israel is openly hostile to the idea because there are more Palestinians than Israelis and it would throw off their elections.
* Ben Gvir would see it happen - but only after they exile/murder all the Palestinians.
Nothing in my comment suggested that they would extend citizenship to Palestinians.
A two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is critical for peace, stability and security in the Middle East and beyond.
Bruh the two state solution is how we got here. As long as Israel’s claim is supported, they’ll be trying to expand.
The two state solution has never been enforced, kind of the issue. Many nations don’t even recognize Palestine as a state at all.
Many nations don’t even recognize Palestine as a state at all.
Incorrect. Roughly 75% of the UN recognize Palestine as a state (80+% if you consider the “pledged to recognize”)
https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/41j2L/12/
The State of Palestine is recognised as a sovereign nation by 147 of the 193 United Nations member states
And it’s not about enforcing the 2SS. Daniel Levy, the literal negotiator for Israel during the PLO period said that Israel negotiates in bad faith and with the purpose of derailing the negotiations.
https://zeteo.com/p/netanyahu-lies-gaza-ceasefire-collapse-trump-daniel-levy
Israel has repeatedly said that they create settlements to bury the hope of a 2SS.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/cdda445ec0584dd7bc865732d7f87ae0
Who’s signing up to serve military duty in Gaza?
Not even Arab countries want to commit any military to this kind of thing.
You could argue Iran has been by funding, training, and arming Hamas leading up to the october music festival attack, but they don’t give a fuck about Palestinian lives: their regime benefits from the optics of Israel’s cruelty.
Yeah, you can most definitely argue that, but in these parts you’ll probably get banned for it. Around here it’s all about pretending that an unending cycle of violence will make things better for Palestinians some day.
Sorry for editing reply I’m really tired and the first try wasnt coherent.
Lemmy Worlds pretty centrist, not quite Tankies they just fund them.
“We would like to take this moment to clarify our support for the apartheid state.”
Strongly worded letters with their historically high success rates!
Would rather they tell Isreal they don’t own shit and need to integrate with the people that lived there before them
Thats…
what a two state solution is…
unless you mean to say Israel should become a territory of Iran or something?
go read that again
no u
A two-state solution is separating Israel from Palestine. What dudeface is suggesting is that Israel simply stop murdering, oppressing, and otherwise being mean to the Palestinian people, and just be a nation that cares for all citizens within its borders. That is not a two-state solution because there would still only be one state - one that recognizes Palestinians as equal to any other people.
Thats problematic for two reasons:
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Israel decides who is and is not a citizen
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Israel considers itself an ethnostate which has so far never tolerated Muslims both within and around their borders.
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Let the user speak for themselves
This is why I specified
one that recognizes Palestinians as equal to any other people.
Yes, we know it’s not likely to happen, but that would be the preferred outcome.
It’s not problematic for me, I don’t care about them maintaining an ethnostate or considering themselves chosen
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two state solution is a joke though. the true solution is equality
Yes, if we could all hold hands and sing “Imagine there’s no countries” everything will all be better.
I have you tagged as a Zionist Troll, so I’m not putting much hope in this discussion. The point is, the two state solution would be used by Israel to continue expanding their territory. Pointing this out isn’t saying any alternative would be free from conflict. It’s saying letting Israel continue as it is will be a horrible situation. We should consider alternatives for this reason.
the best time to declare a state is when its rubble I suppose. A state thats a tent city with no way of building infrastructure and will not receive the financial aid it will need because of Oct 7 (every centrist leader will use it as an excuse to not directly aid a state of palestine should it arise) is exactly why western leaders are “brave” enough to announce their two state positions: they’re giving 2 million palestinians a homeland with no future and get to pat each other on the back and take photos
Jared Kushner and Saudi money is going to invest heavily into the reconstruction via the board of peace for the good of the palestinian people for sure…
Trump is gonna be PISSED🍿
When is he ever not?
When someone is telling him how great and wonderful and smart and clever and chosen-by-god and handsome and wise and legitimate and righteous and not criminally liable and wealthy they think he is?
Just curious WTF are these two countries talking about other countries in isolation for? I mean do they have houses there?
The world has kind of shyed away from genocide, apartheid, and such due to the many wars and other losses resulting from its mere presence. From WWII to the Straight of Hormuz, nothing good ever comes from it.
