Never knew photographs were once argued to be uncopyrightable due to being a product of a machine. Neat history.
We don’t need to find ways to license something that shouldn’t exist.
But it does exist.
Exactly, and that’s where the problem lies and where something needs to be done.
Like licensing?
Right but why would we want to license vibecoded slop?
Irrelevant question. For licensing and copyright questions, quality of code is not important.
Why would we want to license
vibecoded slopcode built with a system that is (in most cases) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all.probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all
You answered your own question. I don’t know what you try to say, but the article and our discussion is explaining if and why licensing code that is vibe coded is possible or makes sense at all. And you point the problem out that this is problematic and probably not possible in good faith. So its not about what we want, but about if and what is possible.
See Microsoft and Google.
No, like banning LLMs.
You do live in reality, do you?
Ah yes, the reality that consists in giving up on all proper solutions out of being “down to earth”, effectively solving nothing.
The proper not possible solution… Sure…
People like you are the reason I gave up on the things getting better. What you people propose has nothing to do with how the world works we live in. It’s all based on how the world should work.
Good luck with banning llms, seems realistic.
I don’t think the existence of something bad and needing to deal with that are mutually exclusive. Of course one should tackle the root of a problem. But you still need to bail water while the boat has a hole in it.
But licensing is trying to remove the water without doing anything about the hole. Or, best case situation, saying “we will fix the hole when the water is unmanageable, but for now we’ll just try to empty it faster than it fills”.
If you ban LLMs, the problem will disappear. It’s not like you can really hide a datacenter so easily, or the size of the data required. Anything less than that will do nothing
Training requires scraping the data and using it. But there is a license to each code attached, and copyright. If the LLM was trained only on code that gives the permission to do so, then I think the generated code could be licensed under the terms of the code it was licensed too. Because its not the LLM that is responsible, but the user of the program. But that is far from reality and not how LLMs are trained and used on.
Would it be possible (legally) to make a new version of GPL stating that code generated by AI trained on the GPL copy lefted code would have to respect the GPL as well?
There are some unanswered legal questions around this. In the US there is fair use, so US companies argue that training falls under that. If they’re right it’s difficult to prohibit because fair use literally means they don’t need a license in the first place. If they’re wrong and they’re found to be making derivative works, then there is likely no need as the terms of the GPL would then apply to their models too and they would not survive that. Other countries have different situations.
Any license prohibiting use for AI training would not be an OSI approvable open source license as OSI prohibits discrimination by field of endeavor.
Prohibiting AI training would not work, in my opinion… but trying to prevent the privatization of AI production could be interesting, isn’t it?
Considering as of now generated stuff without much change does not have a copyright it is also not possible to apply a license. I am not a lawyer but I am quite sure about this one.
Could you just, use the original code that was fed to the LLM, as a dependency? Or is
<package manager name> add dependency libdoohickeynow too lame, due tohey clanker, generate me code that does things, make no mistakes, you're a great programmer, make sure it has no serious security issues, make sure it is well optimizedrolled out and is only “marginally” worse?
