The U.S. EV maker has sustained brand and reputational damage in part due to CEO Elon Musk's incendiary rhetoric and political activity.
      • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.worldEnglish
        14·
        2 months ago

        Oddly libertarians never acknowledge that market leaders ask for theses things. The biggest threat to the free market are capitalists themselves.

          • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
            5·
            2 months ago

            There are 2 types of libertarians.

            One group is comprised of people who think the government should basically keep the military going, and handle foreign relations when that doesn’t impede private citizens.

            The other group is just Republicans who don’t like being called Republicans.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        I don’t think that has ever been true, really. Nor should it be, Laissez Faire is a trainwreck waiting to happen, probably literally and figuratively.

        Textbooks will tell you that the USA, and other countries like China and Russia, are a regulated “Market System” which in some markets teeters on strict Oligopoly.

  • 14th_cylon@lemm.eeEnglish
    23·
    2 months ago

    i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight…

      • 14th_cylon@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        2 months ago

        i am afraid it is just that most CEOs are sane enough to keep their embarrassing moments for their private life. do you think musk is the only narcissistic psychopath on drugs in the business world?

        this is not advocating for musk, but it is important to be grounded in reality ;)

        • SpaceRanger13@lemm.eeEnglish
          13·
          2 months ago

          I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don’t own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter, or have more money and resources than several small nations.

          Feet firmly planted in reality, thanks. You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.

          • 14th_cylon@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            2 months ago

            I would say go with whatever company that doesn’t have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

            I have no doubt most CEOs are psychopaths, but they also don’t own a global Nazi mouthpiece like twitter

            So did you mean “CEOs not throwing a Nazi salute” or “CEOs whose Nazi salutes don’t show up on your twitter feed”?

            It seems you forgot what your argument is in a span of two rebuttals

            You definitely sound like your advocating for musk.

            You should work on your reading comprehension then

    • themeatbridge@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      2 months ago

      Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It’s not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.

      • pycorax@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        Not super into cars but is there even any reason other than environmental friendliness to get an EV? Where I’m from, EVs are all wildly expensive compared to their combustion peers and they all frankly look really ugly to me. The coil whine of the EVs also drive me crazy.

        • Pennomi@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          2 months ago

          Even the cheap ones accelerate faster, ride smoother, and are quieter. You don’t have to get oil changes, and the brakes don’t wear down as fast. Plus I can recharge at home, which is loads cheaper than buying gasoline.

          And this is all with a relatively ancient Nissan Leaf, the new vehicles are all far better.

          Oh, and let’s not forget that even very small air quality improvements have noticeable improvements in lung health! Humans were not meant to be breathing gasoline fumes or combustion exhaust.

          • Random_Character_A@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            My government just added a controversial extra tax on EVs because they tear up the roads and cause additional particles, because they are really heavy and most of them have a better than usual torque.

            You can really see how road quality went to shit after EVs became mainstream.

            Making batteries is also a really ugly business and far from environmental.

            • orclev@lemmy.worldEnglish
              7·
              2 months ago

              That is not even remotely why they added a tax on EVs. The reason they added the extra tax is because they make a ton of money by taxing gas and as EVs are gaining popularity they’re starting to see their tax revenues plummet. There is a nugget of truth in that some of those tax revenues are used to pay for maintaining the roads and that EVs do still put wear and tear on the roads, but it’s not that they’re destroying roads any more than any other car does.

              If you’re seeing a drop in road quality it’s because your government isn’t paying to have the roads maintained like they have in the past, not because there are more EVs driving around.

            • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              2 months ago

              I can’t find anything on such a tax?

              I feel like there has been an uptick in pro oil bots in the past week. Oil is a pretty ugly business too? What is wrong with you people.

        • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          We are in the middle of a crisis. You don’t need an other reason.

          You can either look ugly in an EV or drive straight towards dystopia in a cool looking ICE vehicle.

          • pycorax@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            I mean I’m personally a public transport kinda person. I live somewhere where a car is really just a status symbol since even the cheapest car costs at least roughly 90k USD and most people take public transport.

        • Theoriginalthon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          With my cheap over night tarrif (UK) I pay approximately 2p a mile, I’m planning a road trip to Europe soon and have calculated with a pay for discount EV charge card, I’ll average about 14p/mile. I’m saving between £60-£80 a month compared to my old diesel car, which pays off the charger install ~£900 in a year. Diesel price have dropped in the UK since I got mine.

          For servicing it’s coolant every 3 years or so, and that pretty much it. We have a MOT in the UK, for every vehicle over 3 years old, then yearly, that covers more than what is needed on the yearly services for my car. Only thing it doesn’t cover is lubricate the charge port, but I think I’m ok with that

          Also the cabin noise is almost silent, no gears, constant predictable acceleration, and I can plug anything I want in to the 240v outlet in the back seat

        • themeatbridge@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          Others have addressed your other questions, but I want to add that the “coil whine” that irritates you is probably the car’s slow-moving warning system. EVs are effectively silent at slow speeds because there is no engine noise or road noise, so they are required to make an annoying sound when maneuvering to get your attention. While it is an important safety feature, I agree some are very obnoxious.

          • pycorax@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 months ago

            I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same sound as it’s so high pitched that most people older than me are unable to even hear it while people my age or younger can clearly identify it. If that’s supposed to be a warning system, it doesn’t seem very good?

            • themeatbridge@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 months ago

              I mean, it’s also entirely possible you’ve heard a failing magnetic drive, a humming battery, or a squeeky mechanical thing like brakes or bearings. Those are all strong indicators of a significant problem with the car, and should be fixed immediately. But if you hear it every time, as soon as the car starts moving in a parking lot, that’s the safety feature.

      • 14th_cylon@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        2 months ago

        Competition is good for the consumer.

        except what is happening now is not really any kind of fair competition. the european manufacturers exported they know-how to china, which was strategic failure, it was stolen, and now it is sold back to us with the advantage of cheap chinese production.

        they will ruin our production and we will be in a similar situation where we were during covid, when the political leadership were saluting the china cargo airplanes on tarmac, otherwise it would not bring us masks, syringes, or any other stuff whose production we had given up and outsourced to china

        unless we turn the ship around quite soon, we will be regretting it soon and for a long time.

    • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      2 months ago

      Everywhere is depndent on China, buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car. They also suck.

      • 14th_cylon@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        2 months ago

        buy the car that isnt overtly a fascist car.

        that isn’t really an argument in favor of china 😂

        • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          They manufacture everything, they are just people chilling in their country. Say what you will about their form of government but BYD havent invested in hurting people for no reason.

    • claimsou@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      2 months ago

      The article title is a bit sensational. The share of the market for all Chinese EV is 5,6%. It’s not ( yet ? ) a tsunami.

      • mosiacmango@lemm.eeEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        Telsas total european market share this month is 1.2%, down from 1.8% last may. The chinese market share is 5.9%, not 5.6%.

        5.9% vs 1.2% is a 5x sales rate for chinese cars versus Teslas. According to the article, china doubled its EU market share in the last year, while Tesla lost 30% of its market share in the same time period.

        The title is not sensational. If anything, your comment is a bit misleading by not listing the tesla EU market share.

        • claimsou@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          2 months ago

          You are comparing Tesla, a full electric car maker to « Chinese cars » which includes multiple brands and all engine types. Only one-third of the cars that the Chinese carmakers sold in Europe during the first quarter were electric.

  • hark@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    2 months ago

    Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.