• wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
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    Portuguese people HATE fascists. You don’t even have to be that old in Portugal to remember living under a fascist dictator.

    But I guess that doesn’t stop the lunatic fringe.

    Also, most Portuguese people look hispanic so I really wonder how an ICE-like force there would go…

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      I feel like their racism is selective enough to consider Portuguese-looking Portuguese in Portugal as “okay” and Portuguese-looking Mexicans with the same exact skin colour in the US as not okay, does that make sense?

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        I don’t know, all three Portuguese guys in that picture are white-passing.

        Which, if it’s any surprise, is more common among the upper-class in Portugal. Shocker, I know…

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      What happened to all the fascists after the dictatorship? Did they magically disappear?

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      Portuguese people do not look hispanic, they can be swarthy, like all mediteranian peoples in southern europe. They are not all that swarthy either in comparison. Maybe they had some hispanics emmigrate, it’s a minority.

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          I looked it up too, after the fact, and I’m right. I don’t know where you got that from, it’s incorrect.

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            I don’t know where you got that from, it’s incorrect.

            Oh I don’t know I’ve only been to Portugal and talked to Portuguese people. They don’t all look hispanic, and I never said they did, but there certainly are many Portuguese people who look hispanic.

            But you “looked it up,” so you know better I guess…

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              I’m sure they have a sizable number of immigrants from Hispanic countries. How would that even work? Where you think the Portuguese are Hispanic? Like, I wouldn’t even know where to start on that. Seriously bro.

              Edit: here is Wikipedia with the statistics, 35% of their immigrant population is hispanic, and it is sizable, not the largest.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Portugal

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                The word Hispanic doesn’t appear in that article.

                Maybe you think Brazilians are Hispanic? They are not, as they speak Portuguese not Spanish. (Brazilians are Latino though).

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                  You’re just moving the fucking goal post because you are wrong, and you were raised not to admit when you were wrong. Apparently.

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                Oh, well see, when I’m in Portugal and I meet people who speak perfect Portuguese and understand the culture perfectly and have lived there for years and integrated perfectly, I tend to think they’re Portuguese.

                If you disagree, then you might have more in common with Chega than you realize…

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                  Oh rather, so your point here is that Portuguese are hispanic? Please let me know what is your fucking point here? Because get the fuck out of here you’re wrong and fuck you with all due respect.

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                    That’s not what I said at all. And you’re severely overreacting to the situation.

                    You didn’t have to respond if you didn’t want to, so how about you “get the fuck out of here”?

                    You’re the one who’s wrong anyway. You’ve never even been to Portugal and you’re trying to tell me Portuguese people all look white?

                    Fuck you. On behalf of all non-white Portuguese people, fuck you.

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          Recognizing facts about countries including demographics is not Racist, you cynical fucking piece of shit

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            Demographics? Did I miss your population and birth-rate calculations in the comment I replied to? You were talking about Portuguese people not being Hispanic. Did you notice Spain is in that word? The word Hispanic means spanish-speaking people. “Swarthiness” or any physical appearance has nothing to do with being Hispanic. Spain and Portugal are neighbours if you didn’t know and there is no Chinese wall between the two countries. So yes, you saying Portuguese people have certain physical attributes is by definition racist. So yes, fuck you you racist piece of shit. And apparently you’re also stupid, since I had to explain this shit to yoi. And you probably still don’t get it you idiot.

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                I don’t care about your wikipedia link, can you read? I told you I’m talking about what I’m responding to. I’m not reading your other bullshit. I tried making arguments, you told me you won’t read it, you’re pathetic, give up trying to look like you’re the one being reasonable.

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                  Uhh, what? You are arguing that the portuguese are hispanic, and I’'m racist for calling bullshit. GTFO.

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              I’m not reading this drivel, you know God damn well Hispanic is also used In reference to brazil, And you know God damn well The Portuguese are European.

              This is too fucking stupid to argue and your comment is too fucking stupid to read fuck off please thank you.

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                You telling me to I can’t read after saying you won’t read my medium length racism for dummies explanation is hilarious, like seriously, are you a 12 year old Tik Tok addict or something?

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                  You can’t be a chatbot of course, Grok might be as racist, but it might be smart enough to at least have an argument.

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      I’m Portuguese. I wish that were true, but unfortunately it isn’t. Currently at least 1/3 of Portuguese people love fascism. Ventura, leader of the far-right Chega party, has even stated that Portugal needs not one but three Salazars without losing popularity for it. Currently, they are the second most voted party, having surpassed the PS (center-left) in the last elections. And the ruling party, PSD, supposedly center-right, has been adopting increasingly extreme measures in an attempt to compete with its newest rival.

      P.S.: By the way, looking hispanic isn’t very relevant here. The concept of “white” in Europe is different from that used in North America. Fascists here generally prefer to use the name of the largest ethnic group in the country they are in instead of “white” as the superior group. “White” here is even used in certain more radical circles to refer to a mixed person of different European “races” who cannot trace their ancestry to a single “pure” nationality. Basically, many “white” Americans could be seen as “mutts” by some of these lunatics.