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    This post either needs to be removed or retitled. Luigi is not convicted and this perpetuates a huge problem in the US of assigning guilt to people through public opinion.

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        It’s saying he murdered the CEO, when he has not been proven/convicted of doing so. How are you a moderator making decisions like that?

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          If nobody believes he killed the CEO then everyone needs to immediately retract all the Luigi memes.

          It’s clear he shot the guy, the only question is how justified it is.

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            Innocent until some guy on Lemmy says otherwise?

            Oh wait, no, it still has to be proven.

            Unless you were present at the time, you’ve seen some videos. Perhaps it’s not likely, but videos can be faked, more easily now than ever before.

            Proof first.

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              Lemmy isn’t a court of law, neither is the Internet. It’s pretty much universally accepted he killed the guy, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have the hero worship.

              What the court is going to decide is if he’s justified or not.

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                The court is also going to need to decide if the cops planted the evidence he conveniently carried with him several days later.

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                  Any conspiracy theory is going to do some heavy lifting explaining how the highly custom pistol in the video is not the same highly custom pistol found on Luigi.

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              There are two groups of people:

              1. People who think Luigi’s a criminal who needs to be imprisoned or executed.

              2. People who think Lugi’s a hero who was fully justified in his actions.

              Both groups agree he killed the guy. There is no argument outside tin-foil-hattery that he didn’t.

              The only question remaining is if it’s justified or not.

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                Mangione has not admitted to the act nor has he been convicted. He has a right to the presumption of innocence. The state must prove his guilt. Trial by public opinion in the media is not a replacement for a jury of his peers. That is an elementary democratic principle, not a conspiracy theory.

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                  Of course he’s not going to admit anything, he’s not a dummy. But it should be obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain he’s the shooter, the only question is “was it justified?”

                  In that regard, he seems to be winning the battle for public opinion and has been even before he was ID’d.

                  I keep half expecting this moment at trial:

                  https://youtu.be/mCjBspxuUmU

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            It’s clear he shot the guy,

            It’s really not…

            You cant say for sure it’s him in the video, and while cops say he had a bunch of evidence on him, they also say they didn’t find that evidence till after the chain of custody was violated. Nothing in his backpack is admissible.

            Like, this is America bro, corrupt cops isn’t anything new. They lie all the time, you can’t fault the majority of Americans for not caring what they say as a result.

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              It’s not up to you or me to say what’s admissable or not. The gun in the video is the gun in the backpack. If you want to argue the cops planted it, then you have to explain how they got it.

              Occams Razor - Luigi failed to ditch the gun.

              https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/12/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-thursday-hnk

              “Marked shell casings from the assassination scene match the gun found on the suspect. His fingerprints match some key items investigators found nearby. And he was arrested this week – after going silent from his mom and friends for months – with a fake ID and a handwritten “claim of responsibility” referencing the crime site.”

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          I should add too… nothing in the headline is saying Luigi “murdered” anyone. The word is “killed” and that’s not the crime.

          The act of homicide on it’s own isn’t a crime. The circumstances will determine if it’s murder, manslaughter, etc. etc.

          You don’t need a conviction to say someone killed someone else, that part is self evident.

          Was it justified? Was it murder? That’s what the courts will determine.

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      He was dead the moment he got caught. Nevermind guilty. I don’t care how many technicalities or strategies his lawyer might have. There’s no way in hell the powers that be will let him have anything other than being made a harsh example for all of us plebs.

      This isn’t about him commiting the crime of murder. This about scaring us into submission so we don’t get any ideas. Even if he’s actually innocent because of they don’t catch the killer they can’t use it as an example, so they need someone.

      He’s not walking. Get ready for the inevitable. Even if the word of the law is on his side they’ll pull something last moment. It’s really naive to think they’d ever allow themselves being made a joke by us.