And yet I have to jump through a thousand hoops before my drives will mount on boot.
I was just adjusting my fstab today… Genuinely blows my mind how far Linux has come and I still have to delve into hard to read text files to open my damn drive when I boot my computer.
I’m using Gnome Disks and never had to edit fstab for years.
Yeah I ended up installing gnome disks on my kde bazzite install because the default disk management wont do it without jumping through hoops but gnome disks has a nifty little check box and then problem solved.
Why this can’t just be default I don’t know because every other OS I’ve used has it figured out.
Usually both KDE and GNOME includes all kind of programs as default for many tasks, however both side have a better program for something than the other. As a result, going purist is not the best option all the time. Distros that choose KDE or GNOME try to minimize the package size by not mixing these two a lot because nowadays many DE related programs come with a lot of dependencies. Naturally Gnome Disks also has dependencies that you will only install because of it, unless you already have other Gnome programs.
I always choose the best program that does the job so I end up with both KDE and GNOME dependencies. Flatpak kinda helped with this issue though. I tried going purist once years ago but when it comes to productivity, I always ended up with the program that works the best, so a lot of dependencies. I don’t care anymore since I started using SSDs.
The more I try to learn linux the more I hate linux, this fragmented crap is not helpful and only adds pointless road blocks.
It is easier for me to strip all the privacy invasive bullshit from windows 11 than to setup a usable linux install.
I feel like that shouldn’t be a sentence I should ever have to say.
Fragmentation is not a bad thing but I agree that instead of making programs deeply related to their DEs, they should keep that minimal if that’s possible. Like I mentioned, Flatpak mostly solved this issue. Bazzite uses almost everything from Flatpak which is actually good from this point of view (while it might have other challenges on its own, like not everything is on Flathub, gets better though).
I would say even Ubuntu with telemetry is leagues better than a cleaned Windows 11 when it comes to privacy, but I understand what you mean.
Not sure when did you switch but if you’re kinda new with Linux, it just needs time to recalibrate your knowledge. Once you learn the best for your every need, things like these won’t be an issue. I wish the defaults would always be the best. Some distros actually pick their pre-installed programs really well, but most distros usually go with default suites, like if it’s KDE, then everything is KDE because of the integrity.
I have been trying to switch to linux for over 10 years, I have been using bazzite with some success for a few weeks. I have been using windows since the dos days and I am a windows system admin with 10 years of experience. I can make windows do unholy things with little effort. Granted thats mostly because I have 10 years of experience but in those same 10 years I still know fuck all about linux because between the seemingly purposely unhelpful community and all this stupid segmented bullshit I can never get it to actually do anything so I just say fuck it and harden another windows install.
Finally Bazzite seems to be making some of that stuff a little easier but then I still run into quality of life shit like not mounting all of my installed drives by default like literally every other OS I’ve used.
P.S what is a DE? I’m sure it’s basic knowledge for linux veterans but I have no idea what that means.
Why this can’t just be default
Because not all distributions use gnome. Some distributions try to install as many graphical tools as they can and other distributions try to minimize the size of the install and let users decide what tools they want installed. Talking about defaults applications in Linux doesn’t make much sense. Each distro is free to choose the apps they want to include or not.
Gnome has nothing to do with my question other than it’s just the tool I had to use to add basic and expected functionality.
Mounting a disk on boot is not a new or alien concept it should be default, there is no excuse not to for the average user.
Some distros use KDE which is Qt which means that to install a gnome app (which uses gtk) you need to also install shitload of other dependencies. Fresh installs usually don’t mix KDE and Gnome apps. There a different default for them. So saying that a Gnome app should be default for Linux doesn’t make much sense.
I mainly use Gnome apps and this is what I’m getting on my system:
apt-get install konsole Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: kactivitymanagerd kded6 keditbookmarks kio6 konsole-kpart kpackagetool6 kwallet6 libhfstospell11 libkf6archive-data libkf6archive6 libkf6attica6 libkf6auth-data libkf6authcore6 libkf6bookmarks-data libkf6bookmarks6 libkf6bookmarkswidgets6 libkf6breezeicons6 libkf6codecs-data libkf6codecs6 libkf6colorscheme-data libkf6colorscheme6 libkf6completion-data libkf6completion6 libkf6configgui6 libkf6configqml6 libkf6configwidgets-data libkf6configwidgets6 libkf6coreaddons-data libkf6coreaddons6 libkf6crash6 libkf6dbusaddons-bin libkf6dbusaddons-data libkf6dbusaddons6 libkf6doctools6 libkf6globalaccel-data libkf6globalaccel6 libkf6guiaddons-bin libkf6guiaddons-data libkf6guiaddons6 libkf6i18n-data libkf6i18n6 libkf6i18nqml6 libkf6iconthemes-bin libkf6iconthemes-data libkf6iconthemes6 libkf6iconwidgets6 libkf6itemmodels6 libkf6itemviews-data libkf6itemviews6 libkf6jobwidgets-data libkf6jobwidgets6 libkf6kcmutils-bin libkf6kcmutils-data libkf6kcmutils6 libkf6kcmutilscore6 libkf6kcmutilsquick6 libkf6kiocore6 libkf6kiogui6 libkf6kiowidgets6 libkf6newstuff-data libkf6newstuffcore6 libkf6newstuffwidgets6 libkf6notifyconfig-data libkf6notifyconfig6 libkf6package-data libkf6package6 libkf6parts-data libkf6parts6 libkf6pty-data libkf6pty6 libkf6runner6 libkf6service-bin libkf6service-data libkf6service6 libkf6solid-data libkf6solid6 libkf6sonnet-data libkf6sonnetcore6 libkf6sonnetui6 libkf6syndication6 libkf6textwidgets-data libkf6textwidgets6 libkf6wallet-data libkf6wallet6 libkf6walletbackend6 libkf6widgetsaddons-data libkf6widgetsaddons6 libkf6xmlgui-data libkf6xmlgui6 libkirigami-data libkirigami6 libkirigamidelegates6 libkirigamidialogs6 libkirigamilayouts6 libkirigamiplatform6 libkirigamiprimitives6 libkirigamiprivate6 libplasmaactivities6 libpolkit-qt6-1-1 libqca-qt6-2 libqca-qt6-plugins libqt6core5compat6 libqt6quickcontrols2-6 libqt6quickshapes6 libqt6quicktemplates2-6 libvoikko1 media-player-info plasma-activities-bin qml6-module-org-kde-config qml6-module-org-kde-kcmutils qml6-module-org-kde-kirigami qml6-module-org-kde-newstuff qml6-module-qtcore qml6-module-qtqml qml6-module-qtqml-models qml6-module-qtqml-workerscript qml6-module-qtquick qml6-module-qtquick-controls qml6-module-qtquick-layouts qml6-module-qtquick-shapes qml6-module-qtquick-templates qml6-module-qtquick-window sonnet6-plugins systemsettingsOn KDE system you will see the same for any gnome tool.
Can people not read?, I never said gnome should be default in fact I stated clearly that it was just the tool I used. I said drives should mount on boot by default because it’s basic functionality.
What really upsets me is when you ask you get 10 wrong answers and every one of them is condescending, angry or outright calling you and idiot for not having some niche esoteric knowledge that I shouldn’t even have to know because this is just basic functionality.
Also I figured it out (on bazzite) so yay but it took literal weeks to piece together tiny bits here and there until I finally cracked it.
Text files are not hard to read. It’s text.
Simplicity is definitely something to be valued, but for some reason Linux people equate “just a few shell scripts” with simplicity.
Sure there might not be much there, and maybe if you read all of those scripts you can understand them. But I don’t want to have to read and manually maintain the shell scripts of my init system. That isn’t simple for normal users. Simple is when the OS actually works reliably, and shell scripts are the antithesis of reliability.
