So those Shahed drones sent to Russia weren’t active participation then?
This is what fucks me off about the war Israel/USA vs Iran. Its all well and good being critical of America, what theyre doing is illegal, fucked up and moronic.
But don’t ever forget that Iran is a despotic, theocratical regime that only last month murdered thousands of its own civilians who tried to speak out.
Both sides in this war are shits.
Yep. It’s bad people doing bad things for bad reasons to other bad people, and the plebs get caught in the meat grinder.
Same as it ever was, I guess.
That’s my opinion as well, rooting for any one party in this stupid war is idiotic at this point, basically two elephant fighting, and the victim is the mouse deer in the middle.
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Fuck Israel, but you need to educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres
Prior to that, there have been countless cases of abuse and murder of protestors and even just uncovered women.
Fuck the Islamic government of Iran too.
how does that effect the dynamics of this war? you are just using fascist talking point to justify imperialism
A factual statement about civilian protestors being killed equals “fascist talking point” to you. You certainly have an interesting thought process. Maybe those people didn’t matter to you though.
This war is absolutely not justified and Israel and the US should face international condemnation and prosecution.
Iran and Israel can both be bad at the same time.
Comparing iran and israel is new low
Israel is literally settler colonial apartheid state
One country is worse so the other can’t do anything wrong, gotcha, never heard that one before
In the context of this shitty situation, this is pretty much the absolute least controversial point of the whole thing. Iran supplied shaheds, as well as the design (which Russia proceeded to refine and mass produce and use against Ukraine). Iran has effectively been actively hostile towards Ukraine for years before Operation Epstein Feelings kicked off. What the actual fuck did they think was gonna happen?
To be clear: the Iran War is absolutely, categorically, pants-on-head stupid, and is an awful idea for a multitude of reasons from a multitude of domains. But this specific aspect of it is entirely uncontroversial.
I don’t know what Iran expected when they spent the last several years actively arming Russia, I wonder how differently the war would have gone without Shaheds terrorizing Ukrainian infrastructure and civilians…
Says the country which provides Russia with a fuckton of drones used to bomb Ukrainian cities.
A case of pot meets kettle
Yes, I have seen video of an Ukrainian interceptor blow up a Shahed strike drone above a city where people speak Arabic (and I’ve seen an US fighter plane fail the same task).
Ukraine needs missile defense. Missile defense is hard to come by and slow to develop.
However, Ukraine has the most advanced antidrone defense in the world, thanks to endless practise… in part due to Iran supplying Russia with blueprints for Shahed-136 production about 3 years ago (Russia has since surpassed Iran in both volume and skill, again due to endless practise against Ukraine).
Thus, Ukraine tries to bargain with Arab countries to get whatevever remains of available Patriot PAC-3 supplies. In return, it offers cheap interceptors, advise about how to use and make them, how to jam navigation and communication, how to use PAC-3 more efficiently, etc.
I am not aware of any Ukrainian attack on Iran.
Overall, Iran should have absolutely no reason to complain about Ukrainian involvement, since they have supplied Russia. And besides, Ukrainian involvement is not limitless - so far Ukrainians have been helping defend third countries (which made the mistake of hosting US bases, but regardless have reasons to defend their airspace).
Yes, it’s a mess. I hope it ends, as there is no positive outcome from continuing. Currently the best way of ending it seems like the US ceasing its campaign (not happening, a third aircraft carrier is moving towards the Middle East) and Arab countries negotiating with Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz for traffic. But all of this involves the orange person admitting a big mistake. He is currently doubling down instead.
Ukraine has its own interests (get missile defense supplies from anywhere) and will pursue them anyway. Can’t buy from China or South Korea, supply from Japan is tiny, supply from Germany is of the wrong type or not yet started up, supply from France and Italy is very limited - they will find any missile defense anywhere and try to see if it can be bought (while rushing to make their own based on the Soviet S-300).
So fucking what? Iran started it. And by “it” I mean helping Russia in their fucked up conquest trip into Ukraine.
I wouldn’t have blamed Ukraine if they had sent boots on the ground soldiers to Iran 2 years ago. Fuck Iran’s government with frozen holy water. I hate Trump almost as much but I sincerely hope he will succeed in this war and destroy those absolute fucking monsters.
Either what Ukraine is doing is not okay, or what Iran was/is doing is okay. It’s really that simple.
