Liberty has costs, but it’s worth it.

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    These days a computer is pretty much another lobe of your brain. What happens when we actually have computers embedded inside of us? Are they going to restrict access to our own cognition?

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        I know where you’re coming from. I’d say it’s algorithm driven and platform centric consumption that’s bad. If things were more open, it’d be easier to use things like RSS readers to control your influences. The laws should be enforcing open standards, not closing things down.

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          The laws should be enforcing open standards, not closing things down.

          The CA law does push for open standards.

          Specifically a standard way for app stores to get the age range of users, the alternatives are:

          • Bury heads in sand and let companies target kids
          • UK/AUS style bans.

          Realistically I think talking about RSS readers as a way to stop kids getting hooked on loot boxes is burying your head in the sand though.

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            It’s an open standard that could lead to tighter controls on devices in the future. That’s an extremely slippery slope. Wouldn’t it make more sense to require age verification for social media platforms and outlaw online gambling? Why deanonymize the devices themselves? I suspect it has nothing to do with protecting children.

            If I had to speculate, I think the people in power are scared of how much on-device AI could empower the masses and they’re laying the groundwork to curtail it right now.

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              It’s an open standard that could lead to tighter controls on devices in the future.

              You could say that about anything? Are you opposed to oauth/openid because it could lead to tighter controls in the future?

              Why deanonymize the devices themselves?

              Have you read the law? It doesn’t deanonymize anything.

              Wouldn’t it make more sense to require age verification for social media platforms?

              You say that like requiring Reddit to do actual age verification is better than your OS asking you to enter your age on your account.

              and outlaw online gambling?

              I think we should ban online gambling, but that’s also an actual ban instead of the open standards that YOU were asking for.

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                If the social media platforms are the problem, then why control the devices and not the social media platforms? Makes no sense unless there’s an ulterior motive.

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        I have tens of thousands of notes in my notes app. Please explain where I’m supposed to store that without a computer. Or am I supposed to just forget all that?

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    Very insightful and well written! These Age verification laws are going too far and were never about the kids to being with.

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      Did you read the same article or law?

      CA’s law isn’t age verification, it’s an API to return the age bracket for a kid to app stores, the article correctly notes that it won’t be verifying anything.

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        It’s “foot between the door”.

        Once this has been established as “normal”, they’ll slowly pile on more and more restrictions.

        Better to call out this bullshit know instead of mindlessly agreeing.

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        Its demographic data; if the apps themselves have any access to it at all, it will be misused by advertising companies to see if they’re attracting kids (assuming people are actually truthful; i was totally 18 when i first looked at porn, trust me bro).

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          To tear a company to shreds for getting kids addicted to loot boxes you first have to show they know their targeting kids.

          This isn’t about porn, it’s about app stores & Roblox.

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            You’re forgetting that the parents are more responsible to their children’s safety. Don’t be like getting your 13 yr old gta 5. Easiest thing to do is buy an off the shelf solution for your win11 device to restrict and monitor.

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    Should this method of age attestation become the standard, apps and websites will not assume liability when a signal is not provided and assume the lowest age bracket. Any Linux distribution that does not provide an age bracket signal will result in a nerfed internet for their users

    Fuck just as I commented yesterday about this BS entering Linux kernel, it can become new reality

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    It’s crazy how much a single state in a single country can potentially dictate how we use our own tech

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    The only solution is to educate our children about life with digital abundance. Throwing them into the deep end when they’re 16 or 18 is too late. It’s a wonderful and weird world.

    I’ve been seeing this or some variant of it, as if current protections are sufficient and we just need better parents. Yet having this provides another layer to teach and monitor.

    Also the damage social media does for a 16 year old is far less than an 11 or 13 year old.

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      It’s more about experience than age. If you prevent 13 year olds from gaining online experience, they’ll have the same level of inexperience when you expose them to the internet at 16.

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        So you agree it’s good to expose them in a limited way between 13-16 so they gain some experience without being preyed on by predators like Epstein and Kotick?

        You agree the law is good then or do you think we should hook babies up to iPads to build up immunity like RFK and the antivax cultists that believe in chickenpox parties over regulations.

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            How is disagreeing with the hysteria “astroturfing”?

            If you’re going to call everyone not on board with your fear cult a bot you could at least stick to your claim instead of changing them.

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                So you know what astroturfing means?

                I’m clearly not presenting myself as a grassroots campaign for something, I’m just laughing at the reddit/Lemmy hivemind’s collective hallucination on this.

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                  I’m just laughing at the reddit/Lemmy hivemind’s collective hallucination on this.

                  got it. the right to privacy is a joke to you.

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    This article was so well-written that I was briefly surprised to encounter the term “nerfed” in the middle. I guess it’s common parlance in tech circles at this point.

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      Every major DE defaults to Wayland now, bruv. You can give up the X11 pitchfork. Even holdouts like Cinnamon have added experimental support.