Because now is the best time to be alive, ever. I could take you back 100, 200, 500, 1000, or 5000 years ago and things just get shittier and shittier the further back we go yet people kept having kids.
Not quite true. 20-30 years ago would be better than now. Slightly worse medical science is offset by everything else being farther up the collapse timeline.
I get our argument but I don’t think it’s accurate to overlook how terrible things have gotten in the past few decades just by taking the longview.
You’re kidding yourself, things may have seemed better 20 years ago but the economy was being bolstered by sub prime mortgage nonsense, it collapsed 2 years later and we’ve not had good times since.
How about climate change? 20 years ago there was hope. You want to introduce a kid into a world that is ending? Tell them hey, we made this world for you. You’ll fight in the water wars of 2040?
You’re saying things were better 20 years ago because there was false hope? By that logic 2020 must’ve been the best year ever because CO2 emissions actually dropped.
It’ll collapse or it won’t collapse or we’ll do something different, same as we always have. Pining for a rose tinted snapshot of 20 years ago or 30 years ago won’t make things better. It’s the same bullshit nostalgia fetishism the far right have for the 50s or 60s or whatever. Some things are worse, a lot of things are a lot better. All we can really do is support those we can support and make things better where we can.
I’m not pining for anything, but being 20 years further from the end is objectively better. Don’t lump me in with those fascist pigs, you dickbag. That’s not even remotely the same thing.
In most countries, the best time to be alive was the 60s-90s. Since then the world has been going downhill in everything that matters. Yes, sure, tech has evolved and all. But having the wonderful opportunity to be glued to a screen for half your life doesn’t make it the best time to be alive.
People dont stop having kids because they suddenly hate the concept. It’s in our nature to have kids. We don’t want kids anymore because society has turned so hostile that it completely overruns our instinct to have kids.
Try not to dwell in the “woe is me” narrative. Today’s younger generation has some challenges, but thinking “this is the worst any generation has ever had it by far” is total bullshit.
Crazy to compare the modern day to the Great Depression or the Civil War Era and pretend you’re doing someone a disservice by raising them with love and care.
You talk about hellfire when it has literally never been better to be alive.
Of course, the Western quality of life has taken a stumble. We’re slipping back into 1980s levels of prosperity from a civilizational peak.
But the real horror of the future is knowing Americans won’t be on top. Why bring another American into the world if they’ll be no better than someone from India or South Africa or Brazil? Might as well just end it here. Die Now!
The real horror of the future is climate change, which is usually the first thing people cite when questioning if it’s a good idea to bring kids into the world at all.
You could have said this about nuclear war 40 years ago, or the Holocaust 40 years before that.
As it stands, a few online gooners swearing they’ll never make babies with their Canadian girlfriends is a moot point.
But the “I’ve made the logical decision to choose not to have children” line is largely cope in a society where people who do want kids struggle so hard
Also why bring a kid into this hellfire right now.
Because now is the best time to be alive, ever. I could take you back 100, 200, 500, 1000, or 5000 years ago and things just get shittier and shittier the further back we go yet people kept having kids.
Not quite true. 20-30 years ago would be better than now. Slightly worse medical science is offset by everything else being farther up the collapse timeline.
I get our argument but I don’t think it’s accurate to overlook how terrible things have gotten in the past few decades just by taking the longview.
You’re kidding yourself, things may have seemed better 20 years ago but the economy was being bolstered by sub prime mortgage nonsense, it collapsed 2 years later and we’ve not had good times since.
How about climate change? 20 years ago there was hope. You want to introduce a kid into a world that is ending? Tell them hey, we made this world for you. You’ll fight in the water wars of 2040?
You’re saying things were better 20 years ago because there was false hope? By that logic 2020 must’ve been the best year ever because CO2 emissions actually dropped.
And because we were 20 years further from the collapse.
It’ll collapse or it won’t collapse or we’ll do something different, same as we always have. Pining for a rose tinted snapshot of 20 years ago or 30 years ago won’t make things better. It’s the same bullshit nostalgia fetishism the far right have for the 50s or 60s or whatever. Some things are worse, a lot of things are a lot better. All we can really do is support those we can support and make things better where we can.
I’m not pining for anything, but being 20 years further from the end is objectively better. Don’t lump me in with those fascist pigs, you dickbag. That’s not even remotely the same thing.
US life expectancy has also gone down during that time.
Okay?
Twenty years ago, we invaded a country to steal it’s oil while dismantling the nascent EV/Solar industry to protect fossil fuels
We are here today precisely because things were worse twenty years ago
Better fighting to preserve water tomorrow than bloody your hands fighting for oil yesterday
Tell that to anyone currently living with AIDS.
No, it’s not. It’s not a constant progression.
In most countries, the best time to be alive was the 60s-90s. Since then the world has been going downhill in everything that matters. Yes, sure, tech has evolved and all. But having the wonderful opportunity to be glued to a screen for half your life doesn’t make it the best time to be alive.
People dont stop having kids because they suddenly hate the concept. It’s in our nature to have kids. We don’t want kids anymore because society has turned so hostile that it completely overruns our instinct to have kids.
It’s not even the best time to be alive during my lifetime
Try not to dwell in the “woe is me” narrative. Today’s younger generation has some challenges, but thinking “this is the worst any generation has ever had it by far” is total bullshit.
Crazy to compare the modern day to the Great Depression or the Civil War Era and pretend you’re doing someone a disservice by raising them with love and care.
You talk about hellfire when it has literally never been better to be alive.
Of course, the Western quality of life has taken a stumble. We’re slipping back into 1980s levels of prosperity from a civilizational peak.
But the real horror of the future is knowing Americans won’t be on top. Why bring another American into the world if they’ll be no better than someone from India or South Africa or Brazil? Might as well just end it here. Die Now!
The real horror of the future is climate change, which is usually the first thing people cite when questioning if it’s a good idea to bring kids into the world at all.
You could have said this about nuclear war 40 years ago, or the Holocaust 40 years before that.
As it stands, a few online gooners swearing they’ll never make babies with their Canadian girlfriends is a moot point.
But the “I’ve made the logical decision to choose not to have children” line is largely cope in a society where people who do want kids struggle so hard
I pray and wish America isn’t on top. I hope it collapses and never recovers.
That isn’t my reason for not having kids, it’s climate change and the global rise of fascism. The US is a factor, yes, but not the only factor.
Also, personally, and many will disagree, there is no real reason to have kids.