When is one of these state governors going to just straight up say “what ICE is doing is illegal and unconstitutional. we won’t let you do this. leave now or be shot on sight by real law enforcement”? Just going “nooo, please don’t do thiiiiis” while armed masked thugs kill people in your streets isn’t doing shit to people who don’t care about the law and think they’ll always be in power.
Which, if anything, is evidence the police should have been fired and the whole system retooled a long time ago.
I’ll stop beating around the bush and just say it: I know why dems won’t stand up to MAGA no matter what ICE does to their constituents. It’s because they’re as greedy and authoritarian as the rest, just wearing a mask of civility and wielding softer power. They’re letting it happen because they will find a way to enrich themselves regardless.
Which, if anything, is evidence the police should have been fired and the whole system retooled a long time ago.
Of course, but until qualified immunity is repealed, Democrats have plenty of (non-conspiratorial) motivation not to give police orders that they know the police won’t follow: it makes them look like weaklings.
Both parties pretend that law enforcement is under democratic control. It is not.
Republicans obtain the loyalty of law enforcement by catering to their demands, providing them moral support, taking their side in nearly all disputes, and telling them they can do “whatever the hell they want” to quote Trump. Republicans are less afraid of what the police might do when unleashed, and are reasonably certain that the police will follow their orders because of all of this.
It also helps that what Republicans would order a LEO to do are the things they already want to do (i.e., harass, arrest, and even murder brown people, liberals, and anyone else who gives them lip).
I don’t think Americans are even willing to admit to themselves that law enforcement, even in ocean blue regions, are not under democratic control and the orders elected officials give them are mainly suggestions.
I understand not wanting to believe this as it is deeply disturbing. But things cannot be changed until basic realities are understood.
I would say that while neither group is under full democratic control, that local and state LEOs are at least hemmed in somewhat by often living amongst those they are policing and are usually experienced enough to know that following some of their most block-headed instincts (e.g., no knock, no announcement entries into residences) will earn you a bullet in the face as if you are a home invader, and that if the shooter survives the encounter, the system will likely let the person who put the bullet in you walk.
ICE are brazen because while they are not a new force, they haven’t had significant enough field experience in America to know that rules of engagement aren’t followed solely to protect the people subject to your patrols.
I got news for ya: the martial law and brutal oppression of all American people is inevitable if MAGA isn’t stopped. It’s not a matter of them only doing it if we get out of hand. Every day is another step they take toward the goal of total subjugation.
Well… The governors are gonna get a lot of flak from their constituents when Trump responds by calling in the Marines and the Army.
I think that’s the main reason it hasn’t happened.
When it does happen (and I expect it will at some point), I just hope Trump leaves the Air Force out of it… I dread the possibility of that bastard launching air strikes on political opponents while they sleep.
When is one of these state governors going to just straight up say “what ICE is doing is illegal and unconstitutional. we won’t let you do this. leave now or be shot on sight by real law enforcement”? Just going “nooo, please don’t do thiiiiis” while armed masked thugs kill people in your streets isn’t doing shit to people who don’t care about the law and think they’ll always be in power.
Law enforcement would likely not execute this order even if given it.
Which, if anything, is evidence the police should have been fired and the whole system retooled a long time ago.
I’ll stop beating around the bush and just say it: I know why dems won’t stand up to MAGA no matter what ICE does to their constituents. It’s because they’re as greedy and authoritarian as the rest, just wearing a mask of civility and wielding softer power. They’re letting it happen because they will find a way to enrich themselves regardless.
Of course, but until qualified immunity is repealed, Democrats have plenty of (non-conspiratorial) motivation not to give police orders that they know the police won’t follow: it makes them look like weaklings.
Both parties pretend that law enforcement is under democratic control. It is not.
Republicans obtain the loyalty of law enforcement by catering to their demands, providing them moral support, taking their side in nearly all disputes, and telling them they can do “whatever the hell they want” to quote Trump. Republicans are less afraid of what the police might do when unleashed, and are reasonably certain that the police will follow their orders because of all of this.
It also helps that what Republicans would order a LEO to do are the things they already want to do (i.e., harass, arrest, and even murder brown people, liberals, and anyone else who gives them lip).
There are options.
I don’t think Americans are even willing to admit to themselves that law enforcement, even in ocean blue regions, are not under democratic control and the orders elected officials give them are mainly suggestions.
I understand not wanting to believe this as it is deeply disturbing. But things cannot be changed until basic realities are understood.
I would say that while neither group is under full democratic control, that local and state LEOs are at least hemmed in somewhat by often living amongst those they are policing and are usually experienced enough to know that following some of their most block-headed instincts (e.g., no knock, no announcement entries into residences) will earn you a bullet in the face as if you are a home invader, and that if the shooter survives the encounter, the system will likely let the person who put the bullet in you walk.
ICE are brazen because while they are not a new force, they haven’t had significant enough field experience in America to know that rules of engagement aren’t followed solely to protect the people subject to your patrols.
Case in point, look at the LA county sheriffs. Known to be home to multiple gang members from at least 1970.
Police are rarely under the strong (or even weak) control of elected representatives in the United States (and probably anywhere.)
Trump wants escalation and violence. Then he can use the Insurrection Act and it’s all over. Remember these are swing states being targeted.
Not saying any of this is ok or justified, but it is part of a pressure cooker strategy and all the state governors know it.
I got news for ya: the martial law and brutal oppression of all American people is inevitable if MAGA isn’t stopped. It’s not a matter of them only doing it if we get out of hand. Every day is another step they take toward the goal of total subjugation.
Well… The governors are gonna get a lot of flak from their constituents when Trump responds by calling in the Marines and the Army.
I think that’s the main reason it hasn’t happened.
When it does happen (and I expect it will at some point), I just hope Trump leaves the Air Force out of it… I dread the possibility of that bastard launching air strikes on political opponents while they sleep.