Dominick Skinner is dedicated to tracking the identities of immigration officials. Hundreds of volunteers have participated in his project, and in the last 30 days alone, his website has received nearly a million visits
They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
If I have to explain what the state kidnapping your only local plumber in a town with plumbing problems is a bad thing then I suggest you join reading group https://mander.xyz/post/38822770
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
Closet fascist detected. It sounds like you’re one of the people needing doxxing, tbh.
You are defending MASKED, unidentified assailants who are kidnapping random people, including citizens, off the streets, to be imprisoned in another country under 3rd world standards. GTFO of here, fascist !
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
Cool, I’d like for them to be able to learn to not be Nazis anymore. Its nice that you grew up in a way that made it obvious, but some won’t learn until way later in life.
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
I’m here trying to remind people that their fellow citizens are far more similar than they are different, and we should treat each other with dignity and respect. I dont see how anything else helps. Doxxing people and their families, especially when the site is hosted by some random person on the internet, is shortsighted and cruel. I dont approve of citizens being cruel to each other whether its ice agents or regular people.
The lack of understanding and empathy in this country is a huge part of the problem.
You can’t be bigoted against a job. It’s not like you are born as an ICE agent and it’s just who you are. It’s an active choice to start kidnapping children, not something innate like being black or gay.
Sure you can. I hate car mechanics. Untrustworthy fucks. Lazy assholes. Cause new problems just to charge me with. If I see a mechanic on the street, I spit on them. They know to stay away from me by now though.
I really dont think its so hard to be bigoted in a bunch of ways. Maybe I’m using an inaccurate word though?
(hyperbole for emphasis) hey guys, they were normal people like you and I. They’re just supporting their families! - You when talking about the workers at Dachau and Auschwitz
They were people, but let’s not pretend they were innocent. Shame is a great motivator, and would influence many ICE agents to stop what they’re doing, or at least behave better, I would argue.
Letting law enforcement conceal their identity is some literal fascist shit - that’s not hyperbole.
The rest of the world (where I’m from) is looking on with extreme concern.
then they won’t be and people will need to be able to move on
Wtf are you advocating for here?
That law enforcement shouldn’t face repercussions if they’re breaking the law (or violating generally accepted human rights)?
No, ICE agents covering up their face, so they don’t have to face consequences, shouldn’t be able to just move on after the fact.
Are you allergic to the concept of accountability?
It’s absolutely bizarre that you are arguing for the humanity of Americans, when that’s not your position. Your argument is for the “humanity” of those within law enforcement wanting no consequences for their actions.
It’s very naive to think this isn’t troubling for EVERYONE in the US, not just the alleged foreigners (who, in many cases, are completely legally in your country and have done nothing wrong).
The US is a imperial nation, so I have every right to comment on your politics, as a vassal of the US.
Bruh, as much as I’d like to see you cry about how the leopards ate your face (when you inevitably face the consequences of this slide into fascism), I’d much rather see the US have some semblance of sanity. Because we’re just standing here with our pants down, entirely at your military’s mercy (Australia).
It’s about time we diversify our security partners, holy balls.
Read a book, learn some history, you made be troubled when you do.
They are normal people. Fine. Granted.
If normal people realize their mistakes, recognize the harm done, and actively work to fix it, then that is an option in a good society. But they must put forth the effort to do so. They cannot skate by and return to mundane life with a simple apology. Don’t infantilize these adults who have made decisions and used their agency for evil. You seem to want to pardon them long before any of them have faced real consequences. Stop making excuses. They have to be dragged into the light first in order to face the society they are hurting. How else do you expect that to happen?
They are literally covering their faces because they are afraid on the public. They are normal people just like you and I. They need money to support their family just like you and I. Focusing on individual agents is wasteful and cruel.
If a civil war comes, people will need to be able to say they were wrong and switch sides, which means that ICE agents will in fact help save the country.
Being bigoted is not helpful.
If a civil war comes we need to know who isn’t trustworthy in leadership. This is a list of those people.
Your misuse of the word “bigoted” is disgraceful. These people chose to lock up other humans in cages to be shipped to countries with worse cages.
They can support their families by getting a real job and not being a class traitor.
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Are we talking about ICE agents or leaders? I could have sworn this post was about the people on the ground who aren’t giving orders but taking them. I would hold leaders to a different standard.
Both shouldn’t be in any leadership capacity. As they have failed to recognize the value of human life and they would likely do it again.
All americans to some extent devalue human life. The entire economy is based on it. Whether you are ignorant of that fact or not makes a big difference. This is not an individual problem, it is a societal one. We won’t fix anything unless we treat each other like humans and communicate with each other in good faith.
People will have to live with the mistakes of their past, just like anyone else, but they should not be labelled as unredeemable or unforgivable.
Then the economy is broken. It is in fact a societal problem. Money shouldn’t exist and every human need should be freely offered and labor should traded for this opportunity. We wount fixes this until capitalism falls. We wount stop devaluing human life and we won’t treat eachother like humans as long as “the economy” exists.
People have to live with the mistake of their past but society shouldn’t not be able to take it into account. This is how we got Epstein, Jerry Sandusky, Harvey Weinstein, and Donald Trump.
If I read you correctly, you are saying we need a civil war and social breakdown to get rid of capitalism. I might agree with that, but if thats true then why doxx ICE agents? How is that helping the downfall of capitalism?
Then you read me incorrectly.
If I have to explain what the state kidnapping your only local plumber in a town with plumbing problems is a bad thing then I suggest you join reading group https://mander.xyz/post/38822770
You’re not just a broken morality, you’re obtuse, too.
It’s like you never paid any attention to what we did to the rank and file Nazis…
Did you? What do you think happened to them when the war ended?
A lot of prison time. If not the end of a noose.
PoWs had an awful time after the war, but for those who weren’t captured, simply being a nazi was not a crime and most were not tried unless they had committed specific war crimes.
So no, those who were just following orders were not punished for it.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be an angel.
No I just live in reality, not in lemmy echo chambers.
Closet fascist detected. It sounds like you’re one of the people needing doxxing, tbh. You are defending MASKED, unidentified assailants who are kidnapping random people, including citizens, off the streets, to be imprisoned in another country under 3rd world standards. GTFO of here, fascist !
There is nothing normal about what ICE agents are doing. If they had a shred of humanity, they wouldn’t carry out such heinous acts.
Thats a lot of assumptions about why they are doing what they are.
What is being assumed?
That if they were human they wouldnt do what they are doing. At least you are more honest than most in this thread by actually saying out loud that you think ICE agents aren’t people.
If they weren’t nazis, they wouldn’t do nazi shit.
Cool, I’d like for them to be able to learn to not be Nazis anymore. Its nice that you grew up in a way that made it obvious, but some won’t learn until way later in life.
humanity: noun, meaning humaneness or benevolence. Similar to compassion.
So yes, I do think a lack of humanity is a problem ICE agents exhibit.
When did I say that? Quote me.
Thats how I interpreted what you said, its not a quote. Reread your own post if you would like.
Throwing away your humility means you don’t get treated as such. Simple as that.
Cool I’ll just wait for you to make an unforgivable mistake and then decide you are an “other” who doesnt deserve basic human rights. Fantastic value system you have there.
You’re an ice agent aren’t you?
Nope, I could use the money but its against my values to work there.
BINGO !! I’m pretty sure you nailed it. That guy oozes fascism!
Which protected class are we being bigoted against?
I’m not here to argue legality.
Most of the people here are bigoted against ICE agents, and most of the people here are proud of that. I’m not expecting you to agree with me, if that helps.
You’re here to defend nazis.
I’m here trying to remind people that their fellow citizens are far more similar than they are different, and we should treat each other with dignity and respect. I dont see how anything else helps. Doxxing people and their families, especially when the site is hosted by some random person on the internet, is shortsighted and cruel. I dont approve of citizens being cruel to each other whether its ice agents or regular people.
The lack of understanding and empathy in this country is a huge part of the problem.
You can’t be bigoted against a job. It’s not like you are born as an ICE agent and it’s just who you are. It’s an active choice to start kidnapping children, not something innate like being black or gay.
Sure you can. I hate car mechanics. Untrustworthy fucks. Lazy assholes. Cause new problems just to charge me with. If I see a mechanic on the street, I spit on them. They know to stay away from me by now though.
I really dont think its so hard to be bigoted in a bunch of ways. Maybe I’m using an inaccurate word though?
(hyperbole for emphasis) hey guys, they were normal people like you and I. They’re just supporting their families! - You when talking about the workers at Dachau and Auschwitz
They were people, but let’s not pretend they were innocent. Shame is a great motivator, and would influence many ICE agents to stop what they’re doing, or at least behave better, I would argue.
Letting law enforcement conceal their identity is some literal fascist shit - that’s not hyperbole.
The rest of the world (where I’m from) is looking on with extreme concern.
Yeah things are rough, and then they won’t be and people will need to be able to move on.
If I was in another country though, I’m sure I would dismiss americans humanity too.
Wtf are you advocating for here?
That law enforcement shouldn’t face repercussions if they’re breaking the law (or violating generally accepted human rights)?
No, ICE agents covering up their face, so they don’t have to face consequences, shouldn’t be able to just move on after the fact.
Are you allergic to the concept of accountability?
It’s absolutely bizarre that you are arguing for the humanity of Americans, when that’s not your position. Your argument is for the “humanity” of those within law enforcement wanting no consequences for their actions.
It’s very naive to think this isn’t troubling for EVERYONE in the US, not just the alleged foreigners (who, in many cases, are completely legally in your country and have done nothing wrong).
The US is a imperial nation, so I have every right to comment on your politics, as a vassal of the US.
Bruh, as much as I’d like to see you cry about how the leopards ate your face (when you inevitably face the consequences of this slide into fascism), I’d much rather see the US have some semblance of sanity. Because we’re just standing here with our pants down, entirely at your military’s mercy (Australia).
It’s about time we diversify our security partners, holy balls.
Read a book, learn some history, you made be troubled when you do.
They are normal people. Fine. Granted. If normal people realize their mistakes, recognize the harm done, and actively work to fix it, then that is an option in a good society. But they must put forth the effort to do so. They cannot skate by and return to mundane life with a simple apology. Don’t infantilize these adults who have made decisions and used their agency for evil. You seem to want to pardon them long before any of them have faced real consequences. Stop making excuses. They have to be dragged into the light first in order to face the society they are hurting. How else do you expect that to happen?