It’s literally not smoke, that’s what I’m saying. It’s fucking water vapor. There’s no harm, and it’s literally undetectable aside from a brief smell of whatever it’s flavored with.
Equating vapes with tobacco is so stupid. There is zero (0) tobacco in a vape.
Dude I’m talking about smoke from vapes as in vape cloud, mist, whatever you wanna call it. It’s still secondhand, and it still lingers in the air long enough for other people to breathe it in. I can tell when someone took a hit even if I didn’t see them puff it because it doesn’t just straight up disappear immediately and like 99% is like cotton candy or some other sweet flavor that is super distinctive in smell. If you ever lived in cali you’d know exactly what I’m talking about. Obviously it doesn’t stay for years or anything, hell it usually clears up after like a couple of minutes at worst, but to say it’s undetectable is just false.
I’m obviously not talking about the same smoke as tobacco, that shit is like tar and reeks for years. I’m also not saying there’s tobacco in vapes, I just said the reason why we don’t allow smoking inside is because of tobacco, and for good reason.
And my point is that vaping isn’t smoking and shouldn’t be subject to the same ban. Vaping doesn’t leave residue or discolor walls or any of the other nasty shit that tobacco does. The vape cloud doesn’t linger like smoke. And secondhand vaping isn’t even a thing, it’s like secondhand breathing. It’s just flavored water vapor, there’s no other chemicals or stuff in the cloud.
Edit: no other chemicals at harmful levels, technically there’s an almost imperceptibly small amount of stuff in there but it’s roughly equivalent to ambient air in a city
The other stuff in vape clouds is such an infinitesimally small amount, it’s really not worth considering. On the order of like <400 migrograms per gram of vape cloud, with the average vape cloud mass being <100mg
The scientific failings of nearly all research into e-cigs is a big pet peeve of mine. So, so many studies with abstracts and titles shouting VAPES WILL LITERALLY KILL YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU LOOK AT THEM and then when you dig into the results it’s less harmful than ambient air in a Walmart.
Only up to 100 mg? Such a tiny amount of substance could never have an impact on a human body! That’s why when I take a 50 mg edible absolutely nothing happens.
You are delusional, and completely misinterpreting that study and Wikipedia. Like, reading your other comment you did a “lot of work” on - I’m kind of amazed - it reminds me of the kind of stuff that I’d see to back up Ivermectin being a miracle cure.
You have an addiction and are doing something that is harmful to your body. There is not an evil conspiracy by the government and research scientists to convince you that nicotine is bad for you, nicotine is bad for you.
can you explain the concepts of p-value and statistical significance for me?
Literally irrelevant to the point I’m making.
Also, do things existing at less than 0.04 mg have no effect on the human body?
In almost every case, that’s correct.
Keep in mind that’s also the strongest measured concentration of the biggest clouds in the whole study, and that assumes instead of passively breathing in someone else’s vape cloud, they’re just breathing the whole thing right into your mouth. Realistic amounts of chemicals would be an order or two magnitude lower.
I don’t care about vapes, but not everyone wants secondhand smoke
Shit lingers for a while too
There’s a reason why we did away with the tobacco designated areas in buildings, the same applies to vapes
It’s literally not smoke, that’s what I’m saying. It’s fucking water vapor. There’s no harm, and it’s literally undetectable aside from a brief smell of whatever it’s flavored with.
Equating vapes with tobacco is so stupid. There is zero (0) tobacco in a vape.
Dude I’m talking about smoke from vapes as in vape cloud, mist, whatever you wanna call it. It’s still secondhand, and it still lingers in the air long enough for other people to breathe it in. I can tell when someone took a hit even if I didn’t see them puff it because it doesn’t just straight up disappear immediately and like 99% is like cotton candy or some other sweet flavor that is super distinctive in smell. If you ever lived in cali you’d know exactly what I’m talking about. Obviously it doesn’t stay for years or anything, hell it usually clears up after like a couple of minutes at worst, but to say it’s undetectable is just false.
I’m obviously not talking about the same smoke as tobacco, that shit is like tar and reeks for years. I’m also not saying there’s tobacco in vapes, I just said the reason why we don’t allow smoking inside is because of tobacco, and for good reason.
And my point is that vaping isn’t smoking and shouldn’t be subject to the same ban. Vaping doesn’t leave residue or discolor walls or any of the other nasty shit that tobacco does. The vape cloud doesn’t linger like smoke. And secondhand vaping isn’t even a thing, it’s like secondhand breathing. It’s just flavored water vapor, there’s no other chemicals or stuff in the cloud.
Edit: no other chemicals at harmful levels, technically there’s an almost imperceptibly small amount of stuff in there but it’s roughly equivalent to ambient air in a city
Are you in middle school?
It’s not water vapor.
The other stuff in vape clouds is such an infinitesimally small amount, it’s really not worth considering. On the order of like <400 migrograms per gram of vape cloud, with the average vape cloud mass being <100mg
Wikipedia
Study that I was able to access through my university
The scientific failings of nearly all research into e-cigs is a big pet peeve of mine. So, so many studies with abstracts and titles shouting VAPES WILL LITERALLY KILL YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN IF YOU LOOK AT THEM and then when you dig into the results it’s less harmful than ambient air in a Walmart.
Only up to 100 mg? Such a tiny amount of substance could never have an impact on a human body! That’s why when I take a 50 mg edible absolutely nothing happens.
You are delusional, and completely misinterpreting that study and Wikipedia. Like, reading your other comment you did a “lot of work” on - I’m kind of amazed - it reminds me of the kind of stuff that I’d see to back up Ivermectin being a miracle cure.
Since you seem very concerned with dosage:
Secondhand smoke is also harmful:
You have an addiction and are doing something that is harmful to your body. There is not an evil conspiracy by the government and research scientists to convince you that nicotine is bad for you, nicotine is bad for you.
Oh Christ on a cracker, I don’t have time to explain how math works
The entire cloud, water vapor and all, is up to 100mg, dumbass. It’s like 0.04mg of chemicals in the biggest vape clouds. That’s nothing.
Can you read that middle study for me friendo?
I know you don’t have time to explain how math works, but can you explain the concepts of p-value and statistical significance for me?
Also, do things existing at less than 0.04 mg have no effect on the human body?
Literally irrelevant to the point I’m making.
In almost every case, that’s correct.
Keep in mind that’s also the strongest measured concentration of the biggest clouds in the whole study, and that assumes instead of passively breathing in someone else’s vape cloud, they’re just breathing the whole thing right into your mouth. Realistic amounts of chemicals would be an order or two magnitude lower.
You are right but you still will be stoned for saying the truth. Those ppl probably breathe in much more harmful shit daily without second thoughts
This comment section makes me want to start to vape again