Are all ya dumb fucks who refused to vote for Kamala happy?
Ya happy all your trans friends are about to be sent to concentration camps so you could virtue signal your pathetic hollow support for Palestine (that’s actively doing far worse under Trump than under Biden BTW)?
Hope all the death and destruction partially on your hands was worth you feeling like a special little hero for a few hours last November.
What good does the blame do? People are ants compared to those that run in a democracy seeking election to represent the people in our current system.
I’d like to request that you do your best to find it in you to soften your heart towards others who, in any other context outside of this past election, would likely be seen as allies to all of humanity for their commonly expressed sentiment and principles.
You see them through a negative lens right now and your feelings and perspective are both valid, but division is counterintuitive to movement building and community. Dishing out blame like it’s candy only hardens your heart more and has the potential of hardening the hearts of others.
Actual leftists voted for the best viable option for marginalized groups, which was Kamala.
Pathetic virtue signalling asswhipes who don’t actually give a damn about marginalized groups didn’t vote or voted for a non-viable third party. An action that objectively helped the fascists win given how the Electoral College and Gerrymandering typically works.
You aren’t a leftist, you helped the fascists. Congrats, you fucked over everyone the left is supposed to care about.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
If you’d actually read my comment, you would have realized that you’re demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. You want to hold fascists accountable, but you don’t have the immediate means to do that. So you turn around and victim-blame your fellow sufferers.
You’re not the first person to fall into this trap. It’s the entire reason people voted for Trump - if you can’t change the system that’s screwing you over, at least you can punish the people around you and call that accountability. I hope we can be smart enough not to do this to each other, but the responses in this thread are making it hard to be optimistic.
So, ironically, I’m going to tune out of this conversation too, before it crushes me even more. I’m going to try to find hope and courage elsewhere, because I’m all out of it at the moment. To the rest of you, whoever you are, I hope you can find it too.
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
What I wanted was for the US to not fall to fascism, so I chose the only option that’d realistically prevent that.
You and countless other leftests chose to do jack shit, something we know favors the GOP because of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering to virtue signal.
You all are closer to Fox news than those who voted for Kamala. Our action wouldn’t have ended up with fascism. Yours did. You were functionally on the side of fascism when itattered most what side you were on. How does that make you feel?
You can’t even claim to be an emancipatory movement because literally ever group you’d want to emancipate is objectively worse of and further from emancipation.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
Viable allies are whoever we can trust. Whoever either voted for Kamala or doesn’t let their ego dominate their narrative and can actually admit wrong for not doing it, or encouraging others in swing States to do it by sounding the alarm.
You lot covered in your own tears and piss after telling all of us to fuck off when we needed you the most aren’t allies. You’re a liability at best. You couldn’t be trusted when it was convenient for you. What makes you think you could be trusted when its hard for us all, when you can’t even put aside your ego to admit your side was wrong?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them
You all proved last November you were never closest to us. Maybe not even close in general. What is there left for us to do than to adopt this mistrust as a survival mechanism so you all don’t fuck everyone over for your own egos next time we need to stand?
You keep whining that people are blaming you all for not voting, and not asking yourself why that might be. How you all fucked up to earn this mistrust and disrespect. Self reflect for once in your life.
It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
Hollow words from a hypocrite who embodied not understanding what’s going on in time when it mattered most last year. Millions with the same idiotic mentality, and inability to self reflect on their own betrayal of all marginalized peoples.
Again, self reflect. You all earned this mistrust. This is on you all, not us.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out
I can only hope that one day you and every child with this same defeatest mentality realize how I credibly stupid it was that you use being demoralized and depressed as an excuse to surrender to fascism that reigned in an era that made the prior one look, not depressing, but like a fucking progressive paradise in comparison.
Again
No strategic vision
No strategic foresight
In really, no thought or logic behind your actions at all.
that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
That’s not true. Millions of people who can actually accurately call themselves progressives and leftists stood up to choose the best viable option for the marginalized people. Do not project your fundamental character flaw unto others.
Again, put your fucking ego aside for a moment.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
And here we are at the neo-liberal gaslighting y’all so fervently foam at the mouth at when the Dems do it.
Just like the establishment Dems you hate. You completely abandoned everyone who needed you to act when you had the position to do so at least in some way.
And now that you actually see the threat when its FAR too late to avoid, you’re demanding unity and alliance.
Fuck that.
You’re a liability, not an ally. Until you and everyone who thinks just like you gets their heads out of their asses and learns to sacrafice their egos for the good of others, we are in more danger with you than without you.
You all have proven I disputably that you cannot be trusted or relied on to do your part.
Put your ego aside for once. Nobody should be allying with you until you do that. Until then, you bring them more danger than help.
They’re a die-hard Democrat posing as a leftist her as a rhetorical tool.
I skimmed through several of their extraordinarily long diatribes and I didn’t catch any criticism of the Democratic party, much less Kamala. They reserve all of their anger for other users and voters they deemed insufficiently loyal.
My friend - I didn’t reply to defend myself from your arguments, or to demand anything from you. I replied because I’ve known people who express this level of anger and hate, and I’ve seen this kind of thinking lead them to extremely dark places. And that includes myself.
This is not concern trolling, I’m not trying to win or get a rise out of you here, and I’m trying my best not to sound condescending (admittedly without much success) - Please take better care of yourself. Please don’t push away the vast majority of people who do not share your rage. And please, for the love of all that is holy, touch some grass before you give yourself an aneurysm.
I told myself earlier that I’d stop replying, but I felt the need to give this one last try with more direct communication. I’m going to commit this time, if only for the sake of your blood pressure. Wishing you well, genuinely.
I voted for harris. This will not matter to any centrist, since I spoke out against their only policy.
The anti-genocide left was too insignificant to listen to, according to the pro-genocide center. Now they’re solely to blame for her loss, according to the pro-genocide center.
It can’t be both. Either they’re too insignificant to listen to, in which case they’re too insignificant to blame, or they’re to blame, in which case they’re kingmakers and you should have listened to them.
The anti-genocide left isn’t to blame for the loss.
The faux anti-genocide left who refused to vote for the best option for the people of Palestine on a very shitty election (Kamala) helped Trump with their inaction.
Trump, who by the way, has supported the genocide being hyper exacerbated compared to that of Biden and Kamala.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
The anti-genocide left isn’t to blame for the loss.
Then stop blaming them.
the best option
The second worst option. Genocide supporters aren’t the best anything. Except to other genocide supporters.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
Why do you keep trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened? Oh right, you never gave a shit who won, you just want unquestioning support for the genocide supporter you want over the genocide supporter you were willing to accept as long as no one had the opportunity to vote for a candidate who doesn’t support genocide.
I would love to know how many people actually refused to vote for Kamala for the reasons you stated. Obviously it’s not zero, but I have seen some variation of the “are you happy now?” comment hundreds of times, and I’ve never spoken to such a protest voter in real life. Or maybe they’re everywhere and they’re too embarrassed to admit it.
Instead of pointing to gerrymandering, voter suppression and potential massive election fraud, the mass of comments like yours is starting to feel like straw manning.
My dude, look at the replies to my comments. These people are outing themselves.
Guilty conscious maybe?
Of course they would be more hush hush about their fuck up now. Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
I can’t help that you intentionally refused to speak up against genocide.
Centrists experience no guilt as they don’t see Palestinians as people.
Just like they adopted republican immigration policy because they don’t see immigrants as people.
And just like even more centrists than already have are gonna throw trans people under the bus. And for the same reason: if you’re not netanyahu, you’re disposable.
Oh? It was just fine for a solid year to call anyone who opposes genocide a tankie, trumpist, republican, russian, chinese, child, bot, fascist and so on.
You were trying to convince me to vote for the candidate I voted for in an election that already happened. Ostensibly. Really, you just don’t like criticism of the genocide that will define centrism forever. So I don’t really give a shit that you’re offended by being called a centrist since you’re acting like one.
Kamala sucked bro. She started out with a promise of change, which saw her soar to knew heights as her campaign reached $1bn+ funding from a large proportion of individual donors.
But then around the DNC, she became Biden 2.0. And that turned people off because Americans had just kicked his ass off the campaign.
Politicians don’t automatically get to have our vote. They earn it through campaigning. The mentality of “Vote Blue No Matter Who” has unironically led to the Democrats racheting towards the Right. It happened in 2016, and it happened in 2024.
Voting AGAINST something, which Kamala made a majority of her campaign about, appears to not be as good of a rallying cry as voting FOR something.
I voted for Kamala btw. But I criticized her from start to finish in hopes to extract more concessions that she ended up allowing.
I’m trans and I didn’t vote for Kamala. Blue state, not like it even mattered. I have zero regrets about it on my part either. Since then all the liberals seem to be busy meeting the moment with capitulation and self-censorship, it’s clear they were never allies. I don’t care if I end up in a concentration camp, fuck this rancid ass country.
Since then all the liberals seem to be busy meeting the moment with capitulation and self-censorship, it’s clear they were never allies.
It was never about being allies with the liberals. It was ALWAYS about choosing the best VIABLE choice for the working class, for minorities, for women, for our planet.
And y’all dropped the fucking ball.
Even in a garunteed blue state, action I spires action. Discourse even to just a handful, has an echoing effect to someone who can male a difference. But you lot lack any strategic vision or foresight.
I don’t care if I end up in a concentration camp, fuck this rancid ass country.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t experienced real danger and doesn’t even comprehend the real danger their in.
If it means anything, I don’t give a fuck what happens to you specifically either. I give a fuck about the millions of innocent people who are now damned to death and suffering. And all of it could’ve been avoided if more leftists were actual fucking adults and observed the reality before them last November.
Even in a garunteed blue state, action I spires action. Discourse even to just a handful, has an echoing effect to someone who can male a difference.
It was the democrats participating in a genocide for over a year in advance of the election that had the ‘echoing effect’ of making people not want to vote for their disgusting asses. Just being realistic, a trans anarchist in a blue state not voting for bomber harris has literally zero impact on how anyone else voted.
But you lot lack any strategic vision or foresight.
You’re the one acting like scolding people over votes while the gestapo is roaming the streets is accomplishing anything
It was never about being allies with the liberals.
It was the democrats participating in a genocide for over a year in advance of the election that had the ‘echoing effect’ of making people not want to vote for their disgusting asses.
The Dems were also the only party that hosted any politicians in power who opposed the genocide.
Does the GOP have any that oppose the genocide (outside of the JQ like with MTG)? No.
Was Biden and Kamala gearing to mass deport and arrest anti-genocide activists and demonstrators? No.
Did Biden and Kamala give Netanyahu the greenlight to fully annex Palestine, and expand the war to include all of their neighbors, Iran and Yemen? No.
You have to be TRULY delusional to think the genocide is about the same now as it was under Biden.
You people couldn’t, for even a moment imagine it getting worse, even as the entire GOP was painting the picture for you in front of your face. Now its worse, exactly as everyone with a functional brain could for see.
Your lack of strategic vision and foresight, and let’s be real your completely hollow virtue signalling for faux support, is your problem that you’ve made other peoples’ problems.
Just being realistic, a trans anarchist in a blue state not voting for bomber harris has literally zero impact on how anyone else voted.
Just being a realist, action inspires action. Complete apathy towards the issue “because I live in a blue state” objectively had an echoing effect onto swing states with other potential blue voters. You aren’t escaping culpability with your cope.
You’re the one acting like scolding people over votes while the gestapo is roaming the streets is accomplishing anything
You’re the ones who refused to act when it mattered most and was most easy to do so.
I’m scolding you because you people enabled this shit to happen to begin with to feed your egos.
No one who opposes fascism should ever turn to you, or anyone else who participated in the virtue signal boycott, for alliance against fascism. You are untrustworthy and unreliable.
But hey, cope to protect your ego harder 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Again, I’m sure the feeling you got from virtue signalling is worth the end of any semblance of safety for you and everyone you love.
They’re not credible opposition.
Not you totally missing the point
Y’all ain’t credible allies, antifascists, or even anarchists for that matter
…does it bring you joy playing the blame game with a trans woman for her choices that had an extremely insignificant effect given her circumstances? It seems like it.
Your blame game accomplishes nothing besides putting that person on edge and letting others know it’s okay to also mock and berate people for having principles (in contrast to the Democratic Party). The Democratic Party is free to represent legitimate, common concerns that are apparently significant enough for their voting base to bully anybody who holds them. You are free to push the Democratic Party to represent common sentiment.
I’m scolding you because you people enabled this shit to happen to begin with to feed your egos.
Just. Accept. Kamala. Was. Responsible. For. Her. Loss.
Kamala was the person running - not the person you were responding to.
Biden shouldn’t have held on as long as he did. She should have never ran. There should’ve been a primary. Her policies were put up far too late. Her policies sucked. Kamala was leaving trans rights up to the states. Kamala was appealing to imaginary moderates. Kamala campaigned with Liz Cheney. Kamala was free to acknowledge the obvious genocide and campaign on stopping it.
Kamala’s vibes were off - and her 92% staff turnover during the first 3 years of her office puts things into perspective. What the actual fuck?
It’s unreal that people are still focused on blaming voters instead of encouraging their preferred party to actually do their best, among anything else. The election was almost a year ago now. Spend your energy elsewhere, especially when the person you are talking to is under attack.
Spamming clown emojis at a trans person is not productive. I want you to realize that attacking vulnerable people and people with principles is not helping anything. Your actions are not in the spirit of democracy. Votes are earned - they are not deserved or owned. Nobody should be forced into voting against the opposing candidate, they should be encouraged to vote for somebody who represents them.
As leftists, we need to act in the best interests of the working class. If that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist, that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist.
The left refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 didn’t move the party left. We didn’t get Bernie, we got Biden.
Why? Because a fascist presidency didn’t make people think “hey, we need a real progressive for real change”, it made people scared and panic vote for who they perceived was the “safest” vote, which was Biden.
History will repeat itself (assuming we even have a fair enough election in 2028, let alone 2026).
you’re not a leftist if you’re actively choosing to advocate and vote for the Liberal presidential candidate. -That makes you a liberal, again, not a leftist.
Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.
Fake leftist virtue signalling pansies who’s support for such groups is entirely hollow and self serving on an almost narcissistic level instead boycotted voting for Kamala and quire literally bent over and gaped wide to allow fascists to win the election.
The only fake leftists here are you.
It is your legacy that you spoke for no one when it mattered most. Not ours.
Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.
I did. I voted for her. She was the second worst of two pro-genocide anti-worker candidates. She wasn’t a “best” anything.
You can hate Kamala. I fucking hate Kamala. Hated her before 2024. But I cared and care about the people who are now suffering under Trump. Their lives weren’t worth sticking it to the Dems.
americans are stupid, a side-effect of decades of neglecting their primary and secondary education systems, they will only learn through direct personal pain…and now that pain is coming.
the best move to support/protect those effected, and to make sure they know whose helping them and whose out to get them
Actually I think it’s vitally important that voters learn from this. Or you’ll all be doomed to repeat this mistake again in the future, if you get the chance that is.
In a representative democracy, people don’t primarily vote to vote against the candidate they don’t like, they primarily vote for the candidate that represents them. Let’s get candidates to represent voters and potential voters and relearn that lesson as a society.
But who are these posts talking to? People who were lost in the wilderness for the past 9 months, and just got online for the first time this year? It’s just a rage circle-jerk at this point.
Both sides are not the same. Kamala would clearly have been less authoritarian and evil. Unfortunately the Democrats are currently so shit that voting them in, even repeatedly, won’t fix this mess. That’s because the current authoritarian form of the GOP would continue to sit at the sidelines, gathering support via populism for another term or terms, until it gets voted in, because the Democrats appease them at every turn and allow themselves to be dragged to the right on any and every issue the GOP chooses. This doesn’t work and the GOP end up winning. There were four years in between Trump 1 and Trump 2 and they did nothing to tell a story which counters the fascist othering of LGBT, brown and immigrant people (which will expand to “the left” , then anyone who disagrees with anything they say, and then finally members of their own club, as fascism always does). The GOP have changed the game, and the Dems are still playing by the old rules. Until someone like Bernie or AOC gets control, the actual quickest way out of the current tragedy is to let fascism eat itself, a process that may cost literally millions of lives. But sadly, voting in a Democrat gov is no longer a way to avoid this.
Are all ya dumb fucks who refused to vote for Kamala happy?
Ya happy all your trans friends are about to be sent to concentration camps so you could virtue signal your pathetic hollow support for Palestine (that’s actively doing far worse under Trump than under Biden BTW)?
Hope all the death and destruction partially on your hands was worth you feeling like a special little hero for a few hours last November.
No shit.
Hey assholes - this is what the “worse of two evils” looks like! Remember it for the next time, if you get a chance again.
Well, it was all worth it because something something “status quo” and we’d have a genocide in Gaza, or something.
I mean we did all witness how maintaining support for Israel was deemed more important.
You guys still cant accept that your candidate just sucked? No? Still blaming leftists and minorities?
Anyone who didn’t vote against trump deserves the blame
What good does the blame do? People are ants compared to those that run in a democracy seeking election to represent the people in our current system.
I’d like to request that you do your best to find it in you to soften your heart towards others who, in any other context outside of this past election, would likely be seen as allies to all of humanity for their commonly expressed sentiment and principles.
You see them through a negative lens right now and your feelings and perspective are both valid, but division is counterintuitive to movement building and community. Dishing out blame like it’s candy only hardens your heart more and has the potential of hardening the hearts of others.
Actual leftists voted for the best viable option for marginalized groups, which was Kamala.
Pathetic virtue signalling asswhipes who don’t actually give a damn about marginalized groups didn’t vote or voted for a non-viable third party. An action that objectively helped the fascists win given how the Electoral College and Gerrymandering typically works.
You aren’t a leftist, you helped the fascists. Congrats, you fucked over everyone the left is supposed to care about.
So anyone who doesn’t agree with what you’re saying is virtue signaling, and anyone not behaving in accordance to your proclamations, is a fascist?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Ok, fine - everyone who didn’t vote is irresponsible and unreliable and a bad ally or whatever, and also let’s do Fox News’ work for them and blame left-leaning emancipatory movements for our problems.
Now what? What viable allies, what options, does this frame of reference leave you with? What are you going to do now?
I’ve spent a lifetime watching people blame the ones closest to them for their problems, while the real enemy is right in front of them. It’s a powerful human impulse, and it’s the primary right-wing impulse. I’m not foolish enough to think it’s ever going away. I can only hope, like I hope of right-wingers, that you’re not too far gone into rage and despair to understand what’s going on.
I can only hope that at some point, before it’s too late, you’ll consider how far a political establishment needs to fall that the people it’s supposed to stand for find it less depressing to tune out; that the only people who engage with the system do it to bring in a guy who’ll tear it all down. I hope you’ll be able to direct your rage at the people who truly deserve it.
I hope you find a way to work with the rest of us. Otherwise, I hope that you’re strong enough to fix this yourself.
That’s a lot to say people shouldn’t be held accountable.
Sure, let’s hold the victims of fascism accountable for the actions of fascists.
If you’d actually read my comment, you would have realized that you’re demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. You want to hold fascists accountable, but you don’t have the immediate means to do that. So you turn around and victim-blame your fellow sufferers.
You’re not the first person to fall into this trap. It’s the entire reason people voted for Trump - if you can’t change the system that’s screwing you over, at least you can punish the people around you and call that accountability. I hope we can be smart enough not to do this to each other, but the responses in this thread are making it hard to be optimistic.
So, ironically, I’m going to tune out of this conversation too, before it crushes me even more. I’m going to try to find hope and courage elsewhere, because I’m all out of it at the moment. To the rest of you, whoever you are, I hope you can find it too.
When did anyone say this. You’re incapable of having an honest conversation lol.
I didn’t read the rest because what’s the point. You’re just making up stuff and arguing with yourself lol.
What I wanted was for the US to not fall to fascism, so I chose the only option that’d realistically prevent that.
You and countless other leftests chose to do jack shit, something we know favors the GOP because of the Electoral College and Gerrymandering to virtue signal.
You all are closer to Fox news than those who voted for Kamala. Our action wouldn’t have ended up with fascism. Yours did. You were functionally on the side of fascism when itattered most what side you were on. How does that make you feel?
You can’t even claim to be an emancipatory movement because literally ever group you’d want to emancipate is objectively worse of and further from emancipation.
Viable allies are whoever we can trust. Whoever either voted for Kamala or doesn’t let their ego dominate their narrative and can actually admit wrong for not doing it, or encouraging others in swing States to do it by sounding the alarm.
You lot covered in your own tears and piss after telling all of us to fuck off when we needed you the most aren’t allies. You’re a liability at best. You couldn’t be trusted when it was convenient for you. What makes you think you could be trusted when its hard for us all, when you can’t even put aside your ego to admit your side was wrong?
You all proved last November you were never closest to us. Maybe not even close in general. What is there left for us to do than to adopt this mistrust as a survival mechanism so you all don’t fuck everyone over for your own egos next time we need to stand?
You keep whining that people are blaming you all for not voting, and not asking yourself why that might be. How you all fucked up to earn this mistrust and disrespect. Self reflect for once in your life.
Hollow words from a hypocrite who embodied not understanding what’s going on in time when it mattered most last year. Millions with the same idiotic mentality, and inability to self reflect on their own betrayal of all marginalized peoples.
Again, self reflect. You all earned this mistrust. This is on you all, not us.
I can only hope that one day you and every child with this same defeatest mentality realize how I credibly stupid it was that you use being demoralized and depressed as an excuse to surrender to fascism that reigned in an era that made the prior one look, not depressing, but like a fucking progressive paradise in comparison.
Again
No strategic vision
No strategic foresight
In really, no thought or logic behind your actions at all.
That’s not true. Millions of people who can actually accurately call themselves progressives and leftists stood up to choose the best viable option for the marginalized people. Do not project your fundamental character flaw unto others.
Again, put your fucking ego aside for a moment.
And here we are at the neo-liberal gaslighting y’all so fervently foam at the mouth at when the Dems do it.
Just like the establishment Dems you hate. You completely abandoned everyone who needed you to act when you had the position to do so at least in some way.
And now that you actually see the threat when its FAR too late to avoid, you’re demanding unity and alliance.
Fuck that.
You’re a liability, not an ally. Until you and everyone who thinks just like you gets their heads out of their asses and learns to sacrafice their egos for the good of others, we are in more danger with you than without you.
You all have proven I disputably that you cannot be trusted or relied on to do your part.
Put your ego aside for once. Nobody should be allying with you until you do that. Until then, you bring them more danger than help.
This is what dividing the left looks like. Thanks for the example, I hope you reconsider your stance and be more inclusive moving forward.
They’re a die-hard Democrat posing as a leftist her as a rhetorical tool.
I skimmed through several of their extraordinarily long diatribes and I didn’t catch any criticism of the Democratic party, much less Kamala. They reserve all of their anger for other users and voters they deemed insufficiently loyal.
My friend - I didn’t reply to defend myself from your arguments, or to demand anything from you. I replied because I’ve known people who express this level of anger and hate, and I’ve seen this kind of thinking lead them to extremely dark places. And that includes myself.
This is not concern trolling, I’m not trying to win or get a rise out of you here, and I’m trying my best not to sound condescending (admittedly without much success) - Please take better care of yourself. Please don’t push away the vast majority of people who do not share your rage. And please, for the love of all that is holy, touch some grass before you give yourself an aneurysm.
I told myself earlier that I’d stop replying, but I felt the need to give this one last try with more direct communication. I’m going to commit this time, if only for the sake of your blood pressure. Wishing you well, genuinely.
I voted for harris. This will not matter to any centrist, since I spoke out against their only policy.
The anti-genocide left was too insignificant to listen to, according to the pro-genocide center. Now they’re solely to blame for her loss, according to the pro-genocide center.
It can’t be both. Either they’re too insignificant to listen to, in which case they’re too insignificant to blame, or they’re to blame, in which case they’re kingmakers and you should have listened to them.
Best thing we can do is to stop blaming and focus on solutions. Holy fuck this is frustrating and tedious.
If centrists were interested in solutions, they wouldn’t be blaming the wing of the party that wants them.
The anti-genocide left isn’t to blame for the loss.
The faux anti-genocide left who refused to vote for the best option for the people of Palestine on a very shitty election (Kamala) helped Trump with their inaction.
Trump, who by the way, has supported the genocide being hyper exacerbated compared to that of Biden and Kamala.
The Palestinians are objectively worse off now than they were under Biden, and most likely would have been under Kamala.
Then stop blaming them.
The second worst option. Genocide supporters aren’t the best anything. Except to other genocide supporters.
Why do you keep trying to convince me to vote how I voted in an election that already happened? Oh right, you never gave a shit who won, you just want unquestioning support for the genocide supporter you want over the genocide supporter you were willing to accept as long as no one had the opportunity to vote for a candidate who doesn’t support genocide.
I would love to know how many people actually refused to vote for Kamala for the reasons you stated. Obviously it’s not zero, but I have seen some variation of the “are you happy now?” comment hundreds of times, and I’ve never spoken to such a protest voter in real life. Or maybe they’re everywhere and they’re too embarrassed to admit it.
Instead of pointing to gerrymandering, voter suppression and potential massive election fraud, the mass of comments like yours is starting to feel like straw manning.
My dude, look at the replies to my comments. These people are outing themselves.
Guilty conscious maybe?
Of course they would be more hush hush about their fuck up now. Who but the most imbecilic narcissists would say gleefully as minorities are being shipped end masse to concentration camps that they intentionally refused to act to stop it?
I can’t help that you intentionally refused to speak up against genocide.
Probably a sign of a guilty conscience.
Centrists experience no guilt as they don’t see Palestinians as people.
Just like they adopted republican immigration policy because they don’t see immigrants as people.
And just like even more centrists than already have are gonna throw trans people under the bus. And for the same reason: if you’re not netanyahu, you’re disposable.
Good thing there’s no genocide now then. Whew. Bullet avoided with Genocide Kamala. Good job bravely standing up and doing nothing.
No centrist cares that I voted for harris; all they care about is that I opposed the genocide they wanted.
I wouldn’t know what centrists care about, but you sure seem to be throwing those accusations around at everyone who disagrees with you.
Oh? It was just fine for a solid year to call anyone who opposes genocide a tankie, trumpist, republican, russian, chinese, child, bot, fascist and so on.
You were trying to convince me to vote for the candidate I voted for in an election that already happened. Ostensibly. Really, you just don’t like criticism of the genocide that will define centrism forever. So I don’t really give a shit that you’re offended by being called a centrist since you’re acting like one.
Kamala sucked bro. She started out with a promise of change, which saw her soar to knew heights as her campaign reached $1bn+ funding from a large proportion of individual donors.
But then around the DNC, she became Biden 2.0. And that turned people off because Americans had just kicked his ass off the campaign.
Politicians don’t automatically get to have our vote. They earn it through campaigning. The mentality of “Vote Blue No Matter Who” has unironically led to the Democrats racheting towards the Right. It happened in 2016, and it happened in 2024.
Voting AGAINST something, which Kamala made a majority of her campaign about, appears to not be as good of a rallying cry as voting FOR something.
I voted for Kamala btw. But I criticized her from start to finish in hopes to extract more concessions that she ended up allowing.
I’m trans and I didn’t vote for Kamala. Blue state, not like it even mattered. I have zero regrets about it on my part either. Since then all the liberals seem to be busy meeting the moment with capitulation and self-censorship, it’s clear they were never allies. I don’t care if I end up in a concentration camp, fuck this rancid ass country.
It was never about being allies with the liberals. It was ALWAYS about choosing the best VIABLE choice for the working class, for minorities, for women, for our planet.
And y’all dropped the fucking ball.
Even in a garunteed blue state, action I spires action. Discourse even to just a handful, has an echoing effect to someone who can male a difference. But you lot lack any strategic vision or foresight.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t experienced real danger and doesn’t even comprehend the real danger their in.
If it means anything, I don’t give a fuck what happens to you specifically either. I give a fuck about the millions of innocent people who are now damned to death and suffering. And all of it could’ve been avoided if more leftists were actual fucking adults and observed the reality before them last November.
It was the democrats participating in a genocide for over a year in advance of the election that had the ‘echoing effect’ of making people not want to vote for their disgusting asses. Just being realistic, a trans anarchist in a blue state not voting for bomber harris has literally zero impact on how anyone else voted.
You’re the one acting like scolding people over votes while the gestapo is roaming the streets is accomplishing anything
They’re not credible opposition.
The Dems were also the only party that hosted any politicians in power who opposed the genocide.
Does the GOP have any that oppose the genocide (outside of the JQ like with MTG)? No.
Was Biden and Kamala gearing to mass deport and arrest anti-genocide activists and demonstrators? No.
Did Biden and Kamala give Netanyahu the greenlight to fully annex Palestine, and expand the war to include all of their neighbors, Iran and Yemen? No.
You have to be TRULY delusional to think the genocide is about the same now as it was under Biden.
You people couldn’t, for even a moment imagine it getting worse, even as the entire GOP was painting the picture for you in front of your face. Now its worse, exactly as everyone with a functional brain could for see.
Your lack of strategic vision and foresight, and let’s be real your completely hollow virtue signalling for faux support, is your problem that you’ve made other peoples’ problems.
Just being a realist, action inspires action. Complete apathy towards the issue “because I live in a blue state” objectively had an echoing effect onto swing states with other potential blue voters. You aren’t escaping culpability with your cope.
You’re the ones who refused to act when it mattered most and was most easy to do so.
I’m scolding you because you people enabled this shit to happen to begin with to feed your egos.
No one who opposes fascism should ever turn to you, or anyone else who participated in the virtue signal boycott, for alliance against fascism. You are untrustworthy and unreliable.
But hey, cope to protect your ego harder 🤡🤡🤡🤡 Again, I’m sure the feeling you got from virtue signalling is worth the end of any semblance of safety for you and everyone you love.
Not you totally missing the point
Y’all ain’t credible allies, antifascists, or even anarchists for that matter
They didn’t protect those incumbents.
They didn’t demolish the constitution and start deporting and jailing them either.
Only one party is doing that to people, and its also the only party that’s threatening our democracy.
Wanted to primary out the pro-genocide Dems? Me too. Now we likely can’t because it won’t matter when Trump deploys the Nat Guard on election day.
Lol no you didn’t.
…does it bring you joy playing the blame game with a trans woman for her choices that had an extremely insignificant effect given her circumstances? It seems like it.
Your blame game accomplishes nothing besides putting that person on edge and letting others know it’s okay to also mock and berate people for having principles (in contrast to the Democratic Party). The Democratic Party is free to represent legitimate, common concerns that are apparently significant enough for their voting base to bully anybody who holds them. You are free to push the Democratic Party to represent common sentiment.
Just. Accept. Kamala. Was. Responsible. For. Her. Loss.
Kamala was the person running - not the person you were responding to.
Biden shouldn’t have held on as long as he did. She should have never ran. There should’ve been a primary. Her policies were put up far too late. Her policies sucked. Kamala was leaving trans rights up to the states. Kamala was appealing to imaginary moderates. Kamala campaigned with Liz Cheney. Kamala was free to acknowledge the obvious genocide and campaign on stopping it.
Kamala’s vibes were off - and her 92% staff turnover during the first 3 years of her office puts things into perspective. What the actual fuck?
It’s unreal that people are still focused on blaming voters instead of encouraging their preferred party to actually do their best, among anything else. The election was almost a year ago now. Spend your energy elsewhere, especially when the person you are talking to is under attack.
Spamming clown emojis at a trans person is not productive. I want you to realize that attacking vulnerable people and people with principles is not helping anything. Your actions are not in the spirit of democracy. Votes are earned - they are not deserved or owned. Nobody should be forced into voting against the opposing candidate, they should be encouraged to vote for somebody who represents them.
yeah but your point of view doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit within their narrow, convenient narrative.
Absolute alpha tough guy here
I’m none of those descriptors, I just didnt vote for the genocidal shitheads
Why is this stupidity still being repeated? God, I’m so tired of refuting it. I’m just gonna start calling you stupid and move on.
Just like you did when you passively voted for Trump and your local GOP representatives. What a surprise!
Tell me more about your fantasy.
You’re projecting soooo hard right now lol. Thought you were just gonna call it stupid and move on though. Guess you need more cope.
I’ll take your advice though. Another .ml GOP asset blocked. Lucky me!
You wrote shit about who I voted for with not knowing that. It was a fantasy mate. Nothing more.
I guess you also don’t know how to block people either.
Weird how they projected about you, then said you projected. And then got mad at you for what they did.
You literally are projecting right now. What is this, Republican logic?
.ml, of course lol
I sleep like a baby knowing I cast no vote for a genocidal administration nor a fascist one.
No, really, I sleep so well.
You just enabled the FAR MORE genocidal administration to kill off not only Palestinians, but now marginalized groups at home.
You objectively helped exacerbate the current genocide and make new ones. Sleep on that.
Kamala lost. She was unpopular as hell. Accept it. It was her election to win or lose - she was the candidate.
Focus on what you can do now besides blaming people. Anything will have more of an effect than attempting to make others feel bad.
I really admire your bold and extremely aggressive stance of “the Democrats aren’t the problem, the voters are”.
So brave and forward thinking.
It’s people like yourself who’ve made the Democratic Party what it is today, congratulations.
My only regret is that I have but two hands to pat your back with.
But then how will they learn?! /s
Virtue Signalling leftists when boycotting voting for Hillary didn’t turn the Dems left so why the fuck would boycotting Kamala do it?
Hillary explicitly told the left that she didn’t need their votes… I guess, in hindsight, she was wrong.
Irrelevant to what I said. Reread it.
As leftists, we need to act in the best interests of the working class. If that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist, that means electing an arrogant cunt over a demented fascist.
The left refusing to vote for Hillary in 2016 didn’t move the party left. We didn’t get Bernie, we got Biden.
Why? Because a fascist presidency didn’t make people think “hey, we need a real progressive for real change”, it made people scared and panic vote for who they perceived was the “safest” vote, which was Biden.
History will repeat itself (assuming we even have a fair enough election in 2028, let alone 2026).
you’re not a leftist if you’re actively choosing to advocate and vote for the Liberal presidential candidate. -That makes you a liberal, again, not a leftist.
Leftists actually cared enough about the working class and all marginalized persons that they actually bothered to research what the best viable option was for those groups, and accurately determined it was Kamala.
Fake leftist virtue signalling pansies who’s support for such groups is entirely hollow and self serving on an almost narcissistic level instead boycotted voting for Kamala and quire literally bent over and gaped wide to allow fascists to win the election.
The only fake leftists here are you.
It is your legacy that you spoke for no one when it mattered most. Not ours.
I did. I voted for her. She was the second worst of two pro-genocide anti-worker candidates. She wasn’t a “best” anything.
“Best viable option” never translates to good.
You can hate Kamala. I fucking hate Kamala. Hated her before 2024. But I cared and care about the people who are now suffering under Trump. Their lives weren’t worth sticking it to the Dems.
americans are stupid, a side-effect of decades of neglecting their primary and secondary education systems, they will only learn through direct personal pain…and now that pain is coming.
the best move to support/protect those effected, and to make sure they know whose helping them and whose out to get them
You sound like a republican here. For good reason.
It was never about trans. No one engaged in this line of thinking ever gave a fuck about individuals.
To think a political party is an ally… Yeah, I got a bridge to sell you.
It’s time to get over it and look to the future. She lost. Talking shit isn’t helping anybody but you.
Actually I think it’s vitally important that voters learn from this. Or you’ll all be doomed to repeat this mistake again in the future, if you get the chance that is.
It’s important that the party learns from this.
Consider reading about representative democracy.
In a representative democracy, people don’t primarily vote to vote against the candidate they don’t like, they primarily vote for the candidate that represents them. Let’s get candidates to represent voters and potential voters and relearn that lesson as a society.
But who are these posts talking to? People who were lost in the wilderness for the past 9 months, and just got online for the first time this year? It’s just a rage circle-jerk at this point.
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btw I did vote for her…
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I’m not a political party, or in charge of anything.
Maybe you should direct your anger somewhere useful, like at those who were in power, or those who are seeking it.
Or not, you do you buddy.
Both sides are not the same. Kamala would clearly have been less authoritarian and evil. Unfortunately the Democrats are currently so shit that voting them in, even repeatedly, won’t fix this mess. That’s because the current authoritarian form of the GOP would continue to sit at the sidelines, gathering support via populism for another term or terms, until it gets voted in, because the Democrats appease them at every turn and allow themselves to be dragged to the right on any and every issue the GOP chooses. This doesn’t work and the GOP end up winning. There were four years in between Trump 1 and Trump 2 and they did nothing to tell a story which counters the fascist othering of LGBT, brown and immigrant people (which will expand to “the left” , then anyone who disagrees with anything they say, and then finally members of their own club, as fascism always does). The GOP have changed the game, and the Dems are still playing by the old rules. Until someone like Bernie or AOC gets control, the actual quickest way out of the current tragedy is to let fascism eat itself, a process that may cost literally millions of lives. But sadly, voting in a Democrat gov is no longer a way to avoid this.
They don’t care because this doesn’t affect them. That’s why they didn’t vote, they always want other people to make their decisions for them.
Only when you have felt oppression and seen it with your own eyes do you understand the impact.
I can’t wait until the right feels ACTUAL oppression and not just the made up shit they come up with for pity.