• zzx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    57·
    6 days ago

    Lol I’m on the visa line with Visa now, they have a prepared statement about this.

    They are trying to say they only ever block purchases unless it’s illegal.

    They explicitly said they DO NOT moderate purchases unless it is illegal multiple times. I kept challenging her and saying it’s not illegal, yet they moderate, but she told me she can only read the prepared statement and repeated it multiple times. She then told me I would have to email them to “share my perspective” and then hung up on me.

  • happydoors@lemmy.worldEnglish
    28·
    6 days ago

    I support this but I find it fascinating the steam this can build and quick activism with guides and yet I never see any of this stuff when it comes to political policies

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      7·
      6 days ago

      Here’s the summarized version:

      Be Polite.

      Act as if you only understand ‘the effects’, have a nebulous notion of ‘the cause’.

      Act like you know little other than this, and insist they explain it to you like you are a five year old.

      Waste as much of their time as possible, without becoming hotheaded, instead become sad-confused.

      “I’m not so much angry, as I am disappointed” type of vibe / energy.

      And if possible, be genuinely kind to the low level, actual people you talk to, they literally do not make the rules.

    • IcyToes@sh.itjust.works
      English
      1·
      4 days ago

      Would this not fall under collision?

      I guess in the UK, Competitive Markets Authority may be interested if all companies in a space are colluding preventing effective competition.

      Not sure if they have teeth though.

    • Ann Archy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      39·
      6 days ago

      Talk about completely missing the point. Money processors have no business telling us what we can buy or where.

      • dzsimbo@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        5 days ago

        Pretty wild how they can literally gatekeep a digital entity.

        Maybe they’ll demonetize Amazon next…

      • Ann Archy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        6 days ago

        You are right, let’s all do absolutely nothing when corporations inch themselves into controlling every aspect of our lives.

          • HalfSalesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            6 days ago

            Do you support incest and rape video games being globally banned from sale? I mean, I can kind of get it, its fucked up porn.

            But I don’t like the idea of fictional smut, even if of particularly morally questionable type of porn, gets globally banned (as long as its just fictional obviously).

            What people jork their peanits/flick their bean to as long as no one was actually harmed in its production is none of my or your business.

            Obviously, there is also the chilling effect of letting this censorship slide and the anti-democratic nature of payment processors being the ones enforcing this. But I suspect those are unconvincing to you and you are happy this stuff is harder to get now. Am I wrong?

      • TheOrionArm@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        Nothing like a gaming platform that won’t let you refund your purchases after 2 hours of playtime.

  • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    7·
    7 days ago

    It’s impressive how much people get riled up about not getting porn. I don’t blame them but I also don’t see this as activism, I doubt anyone really spending the time on this cares about possible future censorship that others who are not them may face, they just want to buy their porn.

    • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
      39·
      6 days ago

      This is not about the porn. If you think about it for more than 3 seconds it becomes obvious how this is about the power finance institutions have over morals and society and how religious groups leverage moral panics as a way to weasel in harm and destroy minorities by associating immorality with marginalized groups. Just like pro-life anti choice has nothing to do with saving children, but is about hurting women and controlling their uteruses. Terfism has nothing to do with feminism but is about hurting trans people. Drug wars weren’t about protecting the youth but about destroying the rights of Hispanic and black communities. And a long list of etcéteras.

      This is about defending fundamental rights that will get trampled under the guise of moral and religious righteousness. It’s about power and control. Porn is just the scapegoat. Several LGBTQ+ games were also hit, many which didn’t even have anything to do with sex, just because of this incident. That’s how it begins and it was completely intentional, the cruelty is the point.

      • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        4·
        6 days ago

        I just sum it up to a failure of capitalism . The fact that two companies have so much power over this without having to pass any laws or legislation is really the worrying part. I just hope people continue to fight even after this one thing is resolved. Otherwise it will happen again because that’s how capitalism works

      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        6 days ago

        If these games are so important the devs can release them free somewhere else. Steam and itch aren’t the only place to find games, and sounds like there’s room for a new market just for these games if they are as popular as it seems.

        • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          6 days ago

          Porn games were not the only games delisted. Many non-porn non-sex games were removed. Including LGBTQ+ games, and even award winning AAA games. There’s no rational argument but only moral outrage and FUD. This was not a financially motivated decision, capitalism cannot solve the problems it created. You can’t use commercial alternatives to dispel the damage done by this decision and again, this is not about the porn. To assume it is just about the porn is to fall for the distraction tactic. For example, the point of screaming “save the children … by murdering all trans people” is in hopes that you will get distracted enough by the first part that you’ll turn a blind eye to the second one. To excite your amygdala with enough outrage and adrenaline that your pre-frontal cortex can’t perceive that the intentions and the actions don’t follow logically from each other. You are being manipulated.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      16·
      6 days ago

      This isn’t about porn games. They removed Detroit: Become Human.

      If you think this will stop at porn games, then you’re a fool.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
      6·
      6 days ago

      oh I see so you’ve decided what’s going on and are now angry about that.

      I’m sorry that your story version of me is letting you down. I’m not really sure what I can do about it though.

    • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      4 days ago

      I’ve never bought a porn game nor ever played one, but I just think it’s stupid that such large companies fold to a lobby organization and start moderating the sale of products. Christian fundamentalist activists are persistent and organized, and it’s effective. I think it’s bad how a small minority is able to dictate the lives of other people and I like how people get riled up because I hope it will remind the people in charge of those large corporations that catering to extremists is a bad decision.

      TLDR: Idgaf about the games, I just hate it when religious zealots dictate the lives of others.

      EDIT: I might have been wrong about “Collective Shout” and didn’t look into it enough before forming an opinion.

      EDIT 2: Yeah, I don’t think “Incest Daughters BDSM” deserves saving. They seem to be primarily targeting rape and incest games, and I can definitely understand that you want to see rape games gone from if you’re an organisation like this. Article However, I still don’t know how accurate their own article is, I might check out more sources/perspectives when I have time.

      EDIT 3: My initial assessment seems to be correct, a large amount of games are affected and the “policies” seem to be enforced with a disregard for accuracy. The organization also seems to be more extreme.

        • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          5 days ago

          It might be because of child abuse themes and the portrayal of robot sex workers. It has been criticized before.

          We knew right from the start that Detroit: Become Human was going to be heavy going. The 2016 and 2017 trailers both featured children in peril: first a child dangled from a rooftop, then a young girl being beaten by her father, but David Cage defended the dark subject matter with the promise that “there’s a context in the story, there’s a reason for that”, and we gave the game the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that having now seen the game in full it is clear that Cage’s child abuse narrative isn’t content with just one scene, and definitely isn’t used with care, context, and solid reasoning.

          ‘Detroit: Become Human’: Exploitative and Tasteless

          I’m not sure if I agree with this sentiment. I feel like it was mostly focused on the way Kara goes out of her way to protect Alice, but I can kind of understand how someone else could see this differently.

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            1·
            4 days ago

            I truly could not care less what they claim their reasoning is. I’ve played the game. I know how it handles things like child abuse.

            This is not a game that should even be included in any conversation about censorship. The idea is fucking absurd.

            • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              4 days ago

              I’m wondering how long it’s going to take to revert this policy

        • Yttra@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          I’m against the censorship, to be clear, but a David Cage game might not be the best example to use in the future lol

          • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            4·
            6 days ago

            Why? Because you don’t like them?

            It’s a perfect example, because there’s nothing even close to pornographic in that game. The only possible reason would be because there’s a lesbian android couple that runs off together (if you let them).

      • Rekorse@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        There’s a solid argument that most of the porn games are some form of sexual abuse. You could argue that adults should be allowed to commit fake sexual abuse but its still likely not a positive for those who consume it.

        Its interesting noone here has argued for porn games, just against censorship.

  • OrteilGenou@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    6 days ago

    There has to be an option where digital payment is concerned that allows an intermediate step that anonymizes transactions so one hand doesn’t know what the other is doing.

    This bullshit really makes me not want to see digital currency at all now, of any kind.