The thing is you say that, and I believe you. However, other people like the angry asshole who tried to drown a guy also say that, but they aren’t joking.
When two strangers stand side by side saying the same thing, how do you know which is joking?
The spirit of what I was saying is more “antysocial behavior should be punished because otherwise assholes just keep assholing”. Sadly there’s just to many selfish idiots to effectively enforce social norms like that and over-criminalization leads to issues of its own. All we can do is hope enough people will get educated and respect others for this world not to turn into ever bigger shithole than it already is.
Actually I disagree, I don’t think the problem is to differentiate that. For example there are very clear rules about not using phones in some places. It’s very effectively enforced on planes but it’s rarely enforced on trains and busses. It’s because you have a crew that is tasked with enforcing it on a plane and there’s a clear punishment for not obeying them (you leave the plane). We don’t have a problem with people being removed from planes for “perceived annoyance”. On trains and busses we don’t have a crew that removes annoying people so it’s up to other passengers to complain. People don’t do this to avoid confrontations and escalating things so trains and busses are full of assholes talking on their phones or watching Instagram with speakers on full volume. The rule is there, it’s just not enforced because it’s not considered important enough for the state to enforce it and assholes take advantage of that. The exact same thing happens with motorbikes breaking noise limits. The laws are there, they are just not enforced because it’s difficult and police has other things to do. There’s also no risk of the punishment becoming to cruel. State managed to effectively punish people for driving offenses, for not picking up your dog’s shit or for littering. Other anti social behaviors can also be enforced like that, we just don’t care about them enough.
What? I’m not saying that rules and laws are never weaponized. I’m saying that this is not the reason why some social norms are not enforced. “Not using phones on trains” rules already exist. There are stickers in most public transport that say this. All examples I gave already exists as laws. Clearly the worry is not that if you create laws prohibiting those things they will be weaponized. Because those laws already exist. Enforcement is the issue and it comes down to resources and priorities. From the perspective of an average citizen laws that are weaponized are still not effectively enforced.
I gave you very specific example: phones on planes. Are you saying that those rules discriminate marginalized people? Have you seen a lot of white people on the phone on a plane while minorities are being dragged out by security? I have not seen anyone talking on the phone on a plane and I traveled all over Europe. So I guess go to Europe and examine how flight crews handle their responsibility.
The part about lashing was a joke, obviously.
The thing is you say that, and I believe you. However, other people like the angry asshole who tried to drown a guy also say that, but they aren’t joking.
When two strangers stand side by side saying the same thing, how do you know which is joking?
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The spirit of what I was saying is more “antysocial behavior should be punished because otherwise assholes just keep assholing”. Sadly there’s just to many selfish idiots to effectively enforce social norms like that and over-criminalization leads to issues of its own. All we can do is hope enough people will get educated and respect others for this world not to turn into ever bigger shithole than it already is.
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Actually I disagree, I don’t think the problem is to differentiate that. For example there are very clear rules about not using phones in some places. It’s very effectively enforced on planes but it’s rarely enforced on trains and busses. It’s because you have a crew that is tasked with enforcing it on a plane and there’s a clear punishment for not obeying them (you leave the plane). We don’t have a problem with people being removed from planes for “perceived annoyance”. On trains and busses we don’t have a crew that removes annoying people so it’s up to other passengers to complain. People don’t do this to avoid confrontations and escalating things so trains and busses are full of assholes talking on their phones or watching Instagram with speakers on full volume. The rule is there, it’s just not enforced because it’s not considered important enough for the state to enforce it and assholes take advantage of that. The exact same thing happens with motorbikes breaking noise limits. The laws are there, they are just not enforced because it’s difficult and police has other things to do. There’s also no risk of the punishment becoming to cruel. State managed to effectively punish people for driving offenses, for not picking up your dog’s shit or for littering. Other anti social behaviors can also be enforced like that, we just don’t care about them enough.
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What? I’m not saying that rules and laws are never weaponized. I’m saying that this is not the reason why some social norms are not enforced. “Not using phones on trains” rules already exist. There are stickers in most public transport that say this. All examples I gave already exists as laws. Clearly the worry is not that if you create laws prohibiting those things they will be weaponized. Because those laws already exist. Enforcement is the issue and it comes down to resources and priorities. From the perspective of an average citizen laws that are weaponized are still not effectively enforced.
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I gave you very specific example: phones on planes. Are you saying that those rules discriminate marginalized people? Have you seen a lot of white people on the phone on a plane while minorities are being dragged out by security? I have not seen anyone talking on the phone on a plane and I traveled all over Europe. So I guess go to Europe and examine how flight crews handle their responsibility.
I love how you busted out a thesaurus for this one just to say nothing at all. Literal drivel.
Me, a normal one, is using a degree of complexity to handle a crybully, you, right now, lmao.
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